Here in NZ we once had a thriving CNG industry. Low oil prices and poor installations killed it off and most of the equipment went to Sth America and Pakistan. I have done dozens of conversions and offer the following observations.
Heavy cylinders are a drawback, as is the room they take up. Filling stations would need to be spaced about every 150 kms on major highways. The energy required to compress the gas is usually electric, and we can expect those bills to continue going up. Small vehicles are not suitable for conversion (space,payback and power loss). There is a loss of power. CNG delivers approx 70-80% of petrol power. This is overcome slightly with technical add ons. Maintenance of ignition systems (plugs leads etc) is critical. Far less crap comes out the exhaust pipe. Exhaust systems last longer.

From my POV the most effective way to use CNG is to power public transport like buses with it. Many local councils in NZ used CNG to power their bus fleets. They had their own refilling stations until the "free" market ideology took over and forced the councils to become competitive business units, or whatever the buzzwords of the day were.
When you are ready to start installing CNG send the SOS to NZ as most of the installers here are now in our fifties and apprentices can do the heavy lifting. A team of two could do two cars a day on average, if they were common vehicles. Most of the horror stories came from crap installations done by cowboys. Common problems were starting difficulties, Stalling in windy conditions, Backfiring when starting, poor placement of regulators, problems with icing-up of regulators, did I mention poor starting? All were the result of poor installations and put many people off.
CNG performed best in the old big Six Holdens Fords and Valiants. It was also very good in trucks and buses, but in all cases there was the range issue.
Cheers

We've had CNG fueled cars here for many years - they are quite common in WA (at one point I think all taxis were gas fueled) and refuelling is available at many service stations.

The only complaints I've heard of are about the additional space required for the tank.

Just so we're crystal clear for our audience.. can you confirm that it is CNG used for taxis in WA and not LPG, which is what powers most of the taxis in Melbourne?

I agree that we should be using CNG for large vehicles (buses, trucks etc) - I wasn't aware that we already had widescale application in small vehicles.

Sorry - I'm confusing the 2 - I meant LPG - please ignore my earlier comment...

I agree with the concept of CNG being an ideal transitional fuel for Australia.

I recently checked on the production/availability of CNG vehicles here. Recently Ford (or Holden, I cannot remember) anounced that they were going to make a production run of 1000 CNG powered vehicles here for sale into the taxi industry.

Toyota are producing a standard model CNG vehicle. However at the moment this vehicle is only being sold in Japan and USA.

It seems that India, Pakistan, Argentina and Brazil are leading the way in this area :

http://envirofuel.com.au/2007/04/21/cnglpg-vehicles-and-conversions-set-...

Pique

I was wondering why the CNG dropped off for buses though I don't think you can blame the "free market ideologues" completely. I've recently had a ding dong email conversation with the Auckland (ARTA) transport planner over diesel buses (which in Auckland carry less than 6 pax per k operated, and that is with the system running near max), The problem is than their objectives don't directly even mention energy efficiency, so they can come up with adequate bullshit to justify what they do.

Their objectives are:

* Assist economic development
* Assist safety and personal security
* Improve access and mobility
* Protect and promote public health
* Ensure environmental sustainability
* Support the Auckland Regional Growth Strategy
* Achieve economic efficiency.

Gav, Maybe I could do post on public transport & urban planning in Auckland, its a fascinating tragedy in progress.

Neven

Sure - if you'd like to write a guest post on any relevant topic then just send it in to Phil and I and we'll see what we can do.

That goes for anyone who feels like writing a submission - all are welcome...