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After Jim's description of Beck this week I don't think that will happen. I think too that the dictum of "Don't waste your time arguing with those who won't be convinced." applies to Beck and his audience. PT Barnum's dictum of "It doesn't matter what they say about you as long as they spell the name right." is only true for those selling illusions or snake oil. For Jim time better spent might be a few hours with his neighbours in the local coffee shop.
My take on it is that Beck has been warning folks that they had better get ready for when TSHTF.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2008/04/22/beck.food.fears.cnn
I don't think he has the whole picture yet(he needs to read TOD) but I'm not hearing anyone else talking about it on the MSM.
Actually I think JHK and Beck aren't that far apart-
JHK: "...you could drill in ANWAR and I'm not against it"
Beck: " I'm in favor of drilling through the heads of Santa's reindeer to get at the oil"
:)
Then let's pound him with emails to read TOD. :)
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/program/contact/
me@glennbeck.com
stu@glennbeck.com
cbrady@glennbeck.com
Go forth people.
"Actually I think JHK and Beck aren't that far apart-..."
They'd never get along. Note how often JHK has disparaged the NASCAR set in his column.
[edit] And I'd be willing to bet Beck has a Salad Shooter.
Just one thing I'd like to add --
What many seem to be missing here is that the purpose Colbert serves is one of satire. And since, in our world, satire is the entre to social commentary the fact that Colbert has characterized Peak Oil at all is a sign of awareness.
Like others here, I don't think he attacked Kunstler at all. Rather, he presented every opportunity for Kunstler to tear down his obvious clowning. For those seeking Peak Oil awareness, this is a huge boon. Kudos to both Kunstler and Colbert.
Yep Robert, you nailed it. Colbert was giving him softballs to hit..."Can't I just put a can of cream of corn in my flex-fuel tank and it will run?" Colbert is great at drawing you in to believing the character he is portraying. Look what he did to Bush at the Press Club speech awhile back.
Jim, kudos, thanks for putting yourself out there and congrats to getting on a popular comedy show. Let us know if you ever get on Jon Stewart. He would play you more on the up and up and would probably have a better discussion.
This was a strike for educating the hip college crowd...that's the main audience for Colbert and Stewart even though some old farts enjoy them as well.
Since I'm not in college, I guess I'm part of the old fart crowd ;).
As usual, I've been worrying over the Kunstler bone for a little while and I'd like to add a few caveats...
1. Kunstler did a public service to help raise awareness about Y2K. Without preparation, Y2K, though not likely to result in the end of civilization, could have been a bit worse. So in my opinion, it's better to over-prepare for an emergency than to not prepare or to be poorly prepared. Y2K response vs Katrina, for example. So though the end of the world according to Kunstler did not happen with Y2K, I still think he was right to sound the alarm.
2. The case of Peak Oil is a bit different. The civilized world ran quite well before computers and though system crashes result in loss of productivity and the need for hard copy work-arounds, the issue of peak oil, I would argue is a bit larger. You'll need 10-20 years of really hard work to mitigate peak oil. You'll need billions if not trillions of sunk investment. And you'll need to make some really damn good energy substitute choices to navigate the problem.
3. Where I disagree with Kunstler is his 'doomed sense of inevitability.' As a free will guy I tend to operate under the assumption that applied will and effort changes things. There is no magic but the simple kind involved in hard work and applied human intellect. If we were to create a scale with 1 representing ultra doomer and 10 representing ultra cornucopian, I'd put Kunstler at about a 4. He's a doomer, but at least he's a rational one. But I think he's overlooking advances being made in alternatives, renewable energy, and energy efficiency right under his nose. Furthermore, we've got to realize that there's a lot of fat we can cut out of the current system before we start hitting muscle, bone, and vitals. Though Kunstler is entirely justified in saying "The world doesn't have a creamy nougat center," I don't think his criticism of alternatives is quite as justified. Even if alternatives make up for half the energy loss of oil, we might be able to pull through on radical increases in efficiency.
In any case, the challenge of peak oil is before us. The question in my mind is will we rise to meet it or will we cower or otherwise fail to face it. In all, I like and respect Kunstler. You don't have to agree with everything a person says, after all. He's doing the right thing and he's bustin his butt while others sit on their hands or point fingers. So my extended Kudos remain.
"As a free will guy..."
"There is no magic..."
Kinda contradictory there.
Somehow, Mr. Marston, I don't think you fully grasp what 7 billion people really means, nor what 2.3 billion more of them trying to live "western" lifestyles truly means.
DIYer - "And I'd be willing to bet Beck has a Salad Shooter."
I've got a salad shooter and a food processor and a set of acrylic serving utencils and I haven't even gotten started. But I also have a set of stainless steel cooking ware by Caphalon as well and I would imagine that when I die the grandkids will be fighting over them.
JHK's point about salad shooters is not that they are necessarily evil but at a time in history when we need to prioritize we need to stop producing and buying junk.
A Voyage to Arcturus was one of the early sci-fi influences that went beyond the normal fantasy.
I didn't know anyone else was aware of the chewy nature of the writing-
Sorry to swerve off topic but here's some good Lindsay links:
http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext98/vrctr10.txt
http://www.violetapple.org.uk/
Thanks PG for the links.
Admittedly I'm not that familiar w/Colberts' schtick but I've heard Jim on a radio interview once where he acerbically corrected the host right at the very beginning and it went downhill from there.
You don't win many converts by tearing their ears off and sending them back via said Salad Shooter.