I suspect Bob Brown ghost writes some of Ms Milne's press releases. As some Tas Hydro workers told me we coulda used that 500MW or whatever of clean energy from the Franklin dam. It's not like many 4WDs will bash the scrub around with $1.60 fuel. On the other hand Bob Brown said something about nuclear the other day that seemed quite measured. Brown also told Queensland coal miners they should look for other jobs. I'd like to see Rudd take a position, any position, on coal.
I've scrutinised BB's recent press releases so his non-vitriolic comments on nuclear must have been off the cuff. Something about Europe not getting supplies, a rare lapse into realism perhaps. The Franklin dam was a Pyrrhic victory since we now need clean energy. I suspect history could repeat itself if Gunns' pulp mill fails to get bank support. They might turn to cellulosic biofuels instead. Whatever it is no doubt the Greens will disapprove.
No, he's running a country whose economy is completely dependent on exporting a commodity that creates widespread misery and death ... just like the Taliban.
Rudd doesn't appear to have banned coal mining as far as I can tell.
See, Rudd can learn from the Taliban. The ban drove up the price of opium several fold. Imagine what a ban on Aussie coal exports could do to the price of coal?
I agree, Boof. Sometime in the future I think that the whole Franklin Dam issue could be revived by energy-starved Tasmanians. This raises two interesting questions. First, whether, in the circumstances of that future time, the Australian and international legal system would be able or willing to enforce the World Heritage listing? And, second, in the post-peak world would the economic resources needed to build the dam be available?
(For our international readers (and others), the Gordon below Franklin Dam proposal was located in the dark pink/red area to the north of the large bay on the west coast)
My input here could lead some to think that renewables can not sate our energy appetite, and there may be something in that, but I'm reminded of the words, "all", "basket" and "eggs" in this case.
Also, interesting factoid #3, Tasmanians appear to have un-metered water... at least around Kingston!
I suspect Bob Brown ghost writes some of Ms Milne's press releases. As some Tas Hydro workers told me we coulda used that 500MW or whatever of clean energy from the Franklin dam. It's not like many 4WDs will bash the scrub around with $1.60 fuel. On the other hand Bob Brown said something about nuclear the other day that seemed quite measured. Brown also told Queensland coal miners they should look for other jobs. I'd like to see Rudd take a position, any position, on coal.
You mean when Bob said we need to take measures to deal with the spread of nuclear technology and disease ?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/05/05/2235664.htm?section=australia
That was quite measured...
I've scrutinised BB's recent press releases so his non-vitriolic comments on nuclear must have been off the cuff. Something about Europe not getting supplies, a rare lapse into realism perhaps. The Franklin dam was a Pyrrhic victory since we now need clean energy. I suspect history could repeat itself if Gunns' pulp mill fails to get bank support. They might turn to cellulosic biofuels instead. Whatever it is no doubt the Greens will disapprove.
There are other clean energy options besides hydro.
And he is at least trying to do something about global warming, unlike almost everyone else in parliament...
For example, forests are carbon sinks:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/05/24/2254452.htm
He has. Its the same position the Taliban have on opium poppies.
Do you mean he's fighting the americans for control of it ?
:-)
No, he's running a country whose economy is completely dependent on exporting a commodity that creates widespread misery and death ... just like the Taliban.
Except when the Taliban were in government (back 6 years ago or so) they banned opium production and caused a worldwide heroin drought.
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=taliban+ban+opium
Afghan opium production didn't restart until after the Taliban were ejected from office.
Rudd doesn't appear to have banned coal mining as far as I can tell.
See, Rudd can learn from the Taliban. The ban drove up the price of opium several fold. Imagine what a ban on Aussie coal exports could do to the price of coal?
I agree, Boof. Sometime in the future I think that the whole Franklin Dam issue could be revived by energy-starved Tasmanians. This raises two interesting questions. First, whether, in the circumstances of that future time, the Australian and international legal system would be able or willing to enforce the World Heritage listing? And, second, in the post-peak world would the economic resources needed to build the dam be available?
There is one thing you forgot to ask...
Would building a dam make any difference?
Also, have a look at the storage levels.
For a dam to be worthwhile, it has to rain.
(For our international readers (and others), the Gordon below Franklin Dam proposal was located in the dark pink/red area to the north of the large bay on the west coast)
My input here could lead some to think that renewables can not sate our energy appetite, and there may be something in that, but I'm reminded of the words, "all", "basket" and "eggs" in this case.
Also, interesting factoid #3, Tasmanians appear to have un-metered water... at least around Kingston!