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Right, what I am saying is even if we can manufacture solar panels using solar panels, we can't transport them or mine the material to make them without solar power..
I don't follow.
I am saying that if we can manufacture solar power with solar power, we would also have to mine the materials ect and transport them using solar power, or else your not truly using solar power. We can't get away from fossil fuels like one would think.
You seem to keep passing over nuclear.
The world is not going to be all solar for a long time, if ever.
Or are you looking at theoretical solutions to problems we might have thousands of years in the future?
The world is not going to be all solar for a long time, if ever.
DaveMart - the world *IS* Solar.
Coal, oil, wind, water - all expressions of energy from sol. (ok, ok. Wind also has a spinning globe effect.)
No matter what the source of energy, the energy conversion capital equipment must produce enough excess useful energy above consumption needs to be self-sustaining. Since fossil fuels are such high-quality sources with relatively cheap conversion capital (including refining and transport) they have been self-sustaining. The problem is they are not renewable, hence peak oil, etc. In order to expand energy production you need excess energy to mine, form, and construct the conversion capital (not to mention maintenance). These are the questions we need to answer about any proposed alternative energy production technology. Is the conversion capital self-sustaining, or does it need subsidization? If the latter, it probably isn't a good choice.
George
electric vehicles charged from solar panels.
Where can I buy one of those?