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Further to the post from 'The Times' and Anatole Kaletski quoted above:
'Stone Age Lessons' it is perhaps worth noting the conclusions from this mainstream economist:
It seems that we are worrying ourselves unnecessarily!
That is a bizarre statement. Nobody really knows how to end a depression, other than start a war. The Long Depression in Britain lasted for decades. The Great Depression didn't end until WWII. Japan's depression still hasn't ended, and is showing signs of getting worse. Central bankers will do anything, anything at all, to prevent deflation. Inflation just requires political will to cure.
On the other hand, current economic theory (Chicago school) holds that modest inflation is a good thing. Friedman thought 3% was the ideal amount, and central bankers the world round target something close to that. In addition, governments like to spend money like drunken sailors, which will almost always lead to inflation. Also (and maybe most importantly) banks like inflation. Since banks control the money supply, it means there will always be incentive for them to expand the money supply too fast.
That is a bizarre statement. Also a lie.
The Fed has lived on inflation since it's birth in 1913.
Everything is being done since 071707 to prevent deflation.
But the destruction of derivatives' debt insures it.
Which will go first-the Fed or our Social Security.
Shargash, Mcgowanmc...I could not believe my eyes when reading the bit of rubbish posted regarding fighting deflation vs inflation.
One can only marvel at statements such as: 'Inflation is a more dangerous economic ill than deflation because it is so much harder to cure. Falling prices can be cured easily enough. All governments and central banks have to do is cut interest rates, cut taxes and boost public spending. These are popular steps that readily win political and business support.'
Lets look at the example of Japan. Japan cut their prime rate to ZERO PER CENT and what happened? The Yen became a currency for the carry trade use and Japanese banks became zombiezed. ZIRP...and, Japan is still stuck. Japanese banks provide services for the carry trade which does absolutely nothing for the Japanese economy. The truth is: No one knows how to fight zero bound deflation or Japan would not still be in ZIRP land. If deflation is so easy to remedy then why was the US stuck in a deflationary depression for 12 years leading up to WW2? As far as boosting public spending?...Well, the collapse of housing prices has left many US consumers tapped out, unable to access home loan lines of credit because their homes are not worth what is owed on them. The US consumer is not going to lead the US out of this train wreck recession unless home prices drop to or below historical norms or wages are raised enough for consumers to once again have discreationary income...and what does the Fed fear more than anything? The consumers perception that inflation will not 'stay anchored', but continue on an upward climb. As Von Mises said 'once the consumer becomes firmly convinced that a fiat currency will continue to lose value (purchasing power) then that fiat currency is finished.' paraphrased. Inflation can spiral out of control very quickly...check out the examples of Weimar Germany, Zimbabwe, and countless others.
Lets look at the other rediculous statement:'Inflation is a more dangerous economic ill than deflation because it is so much harder to cure.' That is total, inmitigated, BS!
Inflation is the one thing that central bankers know, without a doubt, how to cure. 'Mr. Volcker inherited about as big a mess as we have today. He worked out what he had to do and did it with unusual lack of concern about what Congress thought of the necessary pain involved and the number of enemies he might make. He paid the price for forthright behavior by being replaced, despite a record for correct and tough behavior that makes for the most invidious comparison today.'
What did Volker do? He increased interest rates till the weak sisters collapsed and cleansed the economy of marginal businesses that were using capital inefficently. Was it painfull? Yes. Did it work? Yes. Did he create a lot of enemies and eventually get fired? Yes. Would Volker do the same thing today? Yes. Come back Paul Volker...we need you desperately!
http://www.financialweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080505/REG/306...
They never could cure the deflation of the depression. You are right, war did.
Where did that statement come from?????
Where did that statement come from?????"
What do you mean?
Yes. Come back Paul Volker...we need you desperately!"
Volker will be Obama's Treasury Sec.
Dream on. Everyone hanging their hopes on Obama will have them dashed. Oh, the blame will go all around Mr. Teflon but he will fail nonetheless. And it will be because those whom you actually blame are the real architects of his policies and that's the way it was supposed to be anyway.
The corporations own this country and both sides of the political coin. Anyone who doubts that will be badly disillusioned if Obama wins.
Huh?
It's just like listening to the chief economist from BP talking in the House of Commons.
Supply and demand are the same ... he is just explaining the economic mechanism of peak oil, demand will be destroyed to equal supply by increasing the price ... and he is almost certainly correct ... much of the oil will turn out to be resource not reserves, certainly too expensive to burn.
Maybe. My guess though is that he is talking about a Yergin-like land, where oil would drop back to $10/barrel, but we don't bother because we get so darn good at renewables.
Demand always calls forth supply, and geology is a fantasy, don't you know?
Looks like he reckons we can force prices back to around $40-50/barrel:
The Times -- what claptrap! So full of shoulds and oughts -- who is going to accomplish all this? Who will watch the watchers?
"Developing" nations should buy small cars to reduce the demand, America should stop importing so much oil...
Interestingly, the Peak Oil/ Export Land models seem to be "standard" now for the editors of the Times! It's just that we ought not to accept the models, because they will result in untold misery. No tip of the hat to geology -- here the data is "ambiguous".
It really is true -- even though much ridiculed -- that the Stone Age didn't end for lack of stone, and the Oil Age won't end for lack of oil. We just finally have a new understanding of what that old saw means.
The problem is that Stone Age ended because the Bronze Age began. The Oil Age is going to end, but it's not because we have anything better rising up to take its place.
Before anybody goes on about solar, wind, or nuclear, consider that the "Stone Age" and "Bronze Age" refer to the making of tools and particularly weapons. If the "Oil Age" is looked at from the point of warmaking, there is nothing that is available that can replace it. Nobody is going to run a tank or an airplane on solar or wind. If we can get to that point, than our energy crisis might have been averted. Until then...
Er, synfuels...
a little short, but you do make a point. it should be the fossil fuel age.
I agree. Plus, people didn't stop using stone when they found substitues for tool making. Stone in various forms has a multitude of uses (particularly if you include concrete and sand) and is still quarried extensively today.
If I remember my archaeology right, at least here in the UK, the supply of good quality flint (which is to stone what oil is to fossil fuels) was getting to be in expensive short supply. The Bronze Age was preceded by the copper age. Copper axes weren't as sharp or durable as a good flint axe.
So the stone age probably DID end due to a shortage of stones.
The Middle Ages didn't end because we ran out of middle.