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You don't think I know that as a historian of the US Empire? Have you not read my goals for the wholesale rollback of the US Empire to try and attempt to mitigate the disaster we've wrought?
What I described above is a vehicle put in place by my familial anscestors that is based upon several generations of hard won work and savings that I have the privilige of managing, along with caring for my remaining elders who built the vehicle.
I've never seen you accuse the many here who are obviously using this forum for advancing their own self interest.
For your information, I'm trying in an admittedly slow and halting fashion to establish a Lifeboat/Post-Carbon relocalized community not far to the west of Corvallis, and trying to make my community of Yachats and that of greater Lincoln county Peak Oil aware, and using funds from my Family Trust to do so. My elders are very much aware of the situation--both Peak Oil and Climate Change--and are quite alarmed, and want to do what they can through the utilization of their resources to build for the future in the best spirit of our communistic community and county. I donate the fruits of my labor on a weekly basis to retirees and Food Share. I try to teach others on other internet forums about Peak Oil, which as we all know is a thankless task in most cases.
Yes, I'm lucky. I have a modicum of security. I worked hard for it as did my ancestors. I did it through long hours managing resaturants and institutional food services, and then teaching at the community college level. My ancestors were also teachers and farmers, paternally immigrants from Spain in 1911; maternally, from Ohio and the reservations of Arizona Territory.
Yes, I'm a contradiction: a radical with affluent means. If that pisses you off, then that's your problem.
Before now, I'd hoped to meet you and talk shop; it seemed natural as we're geograpically close and actually share many ideals/goals. But now you're coming across as someone wanting to attack my farm out of envy as opposed to helping it grow and feed others not as fortunate as myself and my ancestors.
You are showing through your behavior how it's possible for good people to go bad in a Mad Max scenario. You show why Envy is one of the Seven Deadly Sins.
Not envy in the least and if you have not noticed I am very consistent on this issue. I have ranted about others using TOD as a source of inside info to cash in on.
People on this site talk about how impossible it is to get any one to move on the big issues facing the world and I watch those same people talk about how they need to protect their "store of wealth".
HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!
We will do nothing that adversely effects our wealth. The US will do nothing about GW, because it might adversely effect our wealth. The only "solutions" we will entertain re GW, PO, etc. will be ones that enhance our wealth.
Well this IS the problem is it not?
The accumulation of, and the storing of wealth is what caused the problems facing us and I do believe you understand this yet even you can only think in terms of protecting/enhancing your wealth.
My anger is not aimed at you specifically nor at wealthy in general (what is wealthy?) but at this incredibly destructive and self-destructive system we are caught up in.
I apologies for singling you out but please keep your wealth in your pocket and stop waving it around in a forum that discusses the death of millions which is decided primarily by the size of their pocketbook.
Excuse me, but I said I'm working to utilize my family's store of accumulated wealth to enhance the lives of others, while maintaining economic security for my family. I didn't create the economic system we must operate within. I'm trying to use it to enable myself and others to break away from it as we must when it finally collapses. Altruism is the term.
And sociologically, in all primate societies, the welfare of the immediate group comes first. This forms our primary cultural behavior pattern. Some have tried to expand this fundamental caring beyond the immediate familial group to include ever larger groupings--the ultimate goal of socialism. Basicly, there are people willing to share and those who aren't. Religion tries to accomodate and mitigate this fundamental antagonism, which in most cases ends in failure.
Until the system changes into one where accumulating wealth isn't required to accomplish public goods, then it will remain the source of both good and bad deeds.
Natural selection in action. Those who have resources will try to use them to assure their survival and the survival of their families. Resources can be "wealth" or actual physical resources. The response is the same.
Don't like it? Bitch at Gaia and Darwin, not here.
GZ - you miss the point.
You bitch about the fact that nothing is being done or the wrong things are being done and I'm simply pointing out why.
I would also argue that your "triage" is occuring right now and the selections on who lives and who dies is decided by $.
Such is the way it is and always has been so if you are ok with that then sit back and watch.
I'm not ok with it not because I'm poor, I will fare better than most, I just think it stinks and if people understood this better, and they just might at some point, they are going to think it stinks too.