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From what I see teh US culture would not allow it. The land of the free has taken on a meaning that I'm sure was never intended by the founding fathers. Free to do whatever you damn well feel like regardless of the impact of your behaviour on anyone else. No US President or congress is going to tell the people that tehy have to stop buying gasoline for the greater good.
People dont want to do "less"
That is masochism, and only masochists enjoy it.
SOOOO... what we need is positive messaging.
START bicycling
start walking
get to know your neighbors and carpool
petition our oil+auto companies to rebuild the streetcars and railroads they tried so hard to destroy, or we will nationalize them and their (oil's) windfall profits
start your own victory gardens
start planning our cities better, so we can walk/bike/train everywhere as Asians and Europeans do.
Or simply walk everywhere, as Africans do.
hooray.
high prices are the only thing which will bring about overall positive changes.
it's worked in amsterdam and paris. see below.
Paris:
http://www.commoncurrent.com/notes/2008/06/bike-share-the-future-of-carb...
Ams:
http://www.commoncurrent.com/notes/2008/06/europe-dispatch-eu-green-capi...
Exactly. Europe taxes energy consumption, especially motor fuels, and their per capita energy consumption is half of what it is in the US, and they in general have far better mass transit systems than the US.
From above article on commoncurrent.com
Governments now get most of the profits. After nationalization I guess that they will get all. There is no end to greed.
http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/23178.html
There is nothing quite like walking 50 miles for medical care.
http://www.fistulatrust.org/new_centres.html
Hi Robert,
The problem.
Long before I knew what Peak Oil was, I decided I'd live a life without a car. It was due mostly to a spat of accidents I had (none my fault). I sold my car, rented an apartment near downtown and started living car-less (Lived in Waterloo, Canada, POP: 300,000). The transition was difficult at first. I had to do things like "time" out my life..if the bus came at 5 15, you had to be there at 5 15.
After some time I discovered life wasn't really that bad without a car. Over the 6 years I lived without a vehicle, I saved in excess of 30 000 dollars. I worked in IT and managed to travel for work. While co-workers would rent a car, I'd take the train and use city transit (you get some weird looks in HR submitting a bus transfer to recoup your 2.50.
Living without a car was probably the best thing I ever did in my life. I learned that one gets to know their community MUCH better on foot. You live and feel your neighborhood, something you can't do in a car. You also eat better. Fast food restaurants tend to locate where ease of access for cars is priority 1, so when you're living in a walkable neighborhood, you're more likely to sit down and eat & eat healthy. I think I lost something like 40 pounds in the first year of being car free. Vacationing took on a whole new meaning. Travel to a city that was 100 KM's away meant taking a train or bus but I discovered the riches of the city that I'd have never seen in a car.
The only times I needed a car was when I'd travel into the country just for a drive so I would rent one. Getting groceries was a little inconvenient but I learned to shop every few days rather than in massive bulk. This lowered my food costs because nothing went bad. You bought what you could carry home & that pushed me to plan my meals versus eating on the fly.
I've since bought a car that I use for work (oil industry IT consultant). I drive it for a living, but off work, I rarely use it, drive only to the gym and live in an urban neighborhood in Calgary, Canada. It was interesting that the minute I bought a car, all the bad habits returned...eating fast food (gained weight), traveling all over to buy things or just driving aimlessly wasting gas. I no longer save as much as I did before & I'm not sure I'm actually better off. The convenience of a car forces me to demand a higher income to pay for the car.
Perhaps rather than asking people to walk everywhere or ride a bike, we could ask them to think about the benefits of life without a car. When I didn't drive, most people assumed I had been charged with impaired or was just poor or a hippie. We need to change the mindset of automobile ownership and show the positive sides of car free living without getting too "granola bar" in the message. Apparently, the trend in Japan is to live car free...perhaps we should export that to North America.
Rather than saying "stop driving to save the world" how about saying if you stop driving so much, you'll save 10's of thousands of dollars, improve your health & have far less stress you would if you drive. Compare it to smoking where the positives (saved money, better health) probably did alot more than threatening people with the fear of lung cancer.
It shows what is possible when you plan a little bit. I wonder however how mcuh of the infrastructure that we have and the car culture that uses it is being used by those without a car. For exapmle we have a service in Aus called meals-on-wheels which delivers meals to housebound elderly. The deliverys are done by volunteers in their own cars and there is concern about how long this arrangement can keep going with current petrol prices. Even though we may be able to do without cars as individuals, are we still dependent on the wider community that does run them for delivery of many other services that may be hidden from our concious thoughts?
Just had a chat with my neighbor who happens to be an airline pilot and pilot trainer. I had just come home from grocery shopping at the supermarket, I had walked there and back. We chatted about the building around the corner which has been empty since about two years ago when it was foreclosed upon.
Very nice building, excellent location the developer ran out of money, the apartments were supposed to be on sale for a mere $450k for a two bedroom apartment. Well the pigeons are roosting there now.
My neighbor still doesn't get it. Well, his job depends on him not getting it. It's not up to me to break the news to him, so I didn't.
Ride a Bike or Take a Hike!
I agree. It must be a grassroots response. It won't come from government edict, no matter how positive they make it sound.
Sure, it sounds fun to walk and enjoy the great outdoors, but frankly, except for a few regions with mild weather, the outdoors suck. Someone in San Francisco or coastal Los Angeles could comfortably walk outdoors 11 months of the year, but try telling that to someone in Buffalo or Phoenix or Houston. That's why we have cars with air conditioning. I agree as anyone else here about needing to get out of cars, but the problem of weather protection is intractable as long as driving and air conditioning remain affordable. All I can say is, I've lived in New York before. New Yorkers get out and walk in all weather. People will just have to get used to being sweaty and cold and wet and all the other discomforts of the great outdoors.
Even in the worst case (New Orleans in August) walking at 7:30 AM is not too bad. Bicycling is better (more "wind"). And coming home to a shower at 5:30 PM is OK too.
And most public transit is air conditioned today (but not the 1923/24 St. Charles streetcars).
Best Hopes for Non-Oil Transportation,
Alan
I lothe responses like this... Seriously how did people _EVER_ survive before the Auto... AC and OMG central heating... Anybody who thinks like this needs to seriously get a life. Life has been made easy by oil.
Couple of things.
- That wasn't my personal opinion, but ask around and you'll find most people feel that way. Just go to a mall parking lot and see the people circling and waiting for a parking spot a little bit closer to the door. I'll go outside in any weather, and I damn well know how unpleasant it can be. I live in a city with mild weather, but I know the vast majority of North America isn't as fortunate as me. Even then, I've ridden my motorcycle in the local metro area in temps as low as 35F and as high as 115F.
- Sure, people lived in these places before the auto, but check the population rank of the Sunbelt cities, say, before and after the 1950's. Cities like Atlanta and Phoenix would likely never have grown to their present size without A/C and cars. They have tiny urban cores and huge sprawling suburbs where the distances are unwalkable and mostly unbikeable even in good weather. As Kunstler puts it, even the shortest car ride would turn into a Bataan Death March.
The problem with this is most unenlightened people will just give the response "I'd rather not". How do you overcome a response like that? It seems useless trying to convince people who have already decided they won't be convinced. Unfortunately it's the people who understand science the least, so explaining it to them in scientific terms is meaningless to them, they lack the ability to understand the problem, and don't think they can affect the solution.