Co-generation needs to be rolled out everywhere ASAP. Over 90% efficient. Its a no brainer - which our politicians should be able to identify with.

Energy Efficiency is the only option available to us.

Energy Efficiency is the only option available to us.

no wind, solar, hydro or geothermal?

Wind, solar (thermal solar), hydro and geothermal are all highly efficient as far as I know, with high eroei.

But its a very good comment - I should have said energy efficiency in energy production and energy consumption is the only option available - in co-generation I was describing an energy production system that may run on coal (for base load) topped up with urban waste and biomass.

Yooooon, I absolutely agree on co-gen. It should be a requirement of any new permit to build a commercial structure, and planners should offer incentives for manufacturing plants etc. to co-locate with existing facilities that have waste heat. Likewise, I would favor strong incentives to deploy heat pumps; if the cost of the units can be brought down or offset by incentives, the "free" heat and cooling could put a real dent in heating oil and nat gas consumption.

Right now, I am not aware of any such incentives in any U.S. municipality. But with the stroke of a pen, planners could offer them, resulting in a very significant boom for both co-gen and heat pumps, and deployment could occur quite rapidly.

On the whole, I agree that efficiency is the no-brainer.

ChrisIs - UK stocks melted today. The day was one of several in recent months where one part of the market went one way - south - (Bank of Scotland down 11.6%, Royal Bank of Scotland down 9% - these are two of the UK's biggest banks) whilst BP up 1.5% and BG Group up 0.4%. The latter is one of my favorite stocks. One of the biggest sellers of LNG into the American market and significant equity in the Santos basin (declaration - I own BG.L stock).

We need to fight a bit harder to get energy efficiency adopted as standard currency. In absolutely everything we do, energy efficiency must be King. For a fair number of years at least, this will allow society to function, doing all it does at present, without too much pain - gives time to think about phase 2 of the Long Emergency.

But I gotta say that in a world run by **** heads - I'm not currently that optimistic.

Right with ya there...

Same thing here today: A tough day for the financials, and a bomber day for energy. But I wasn't complaining 'cuz I'm long energy, plus I saw the financial meltdown coming and went long SKF (ultrashort on the financials) a couple of weeks ago. It's nice to get it right once in a while...

I wonder how the costs would compare in generating electricity centrally and using air heat pumps to multiply it's heating efficiency to suing buried hyperion reactors and installing pipework to pump hot water to houses in co-gen?
It's apparent that the installed co-gen pipework in places like Holland will give them an enormous advantage compared to, say, the UK.