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Undertow on June 9, 2008 - 10:09am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Ask the Bilderberg Group.


Uncle Ben visits the Bilderbergs

However they'll probably respond something like this.

Images scaled down for size from http://cryptome.info/bilderberg08/bilderberg08.htm

Btw, Ilargi argued over at the Automatic Earth that Mish (who he normally respects) has got it wrong on this one.

Ilargi: Rebellion at the Fed? No, Mish doesn’t understand what happens. Which is that the lower ranks are used to bring home the bad news, because Bernanke can’t and won’t. That the regional heads speak out all the time, is a sign that Bernanke holds the reins firmly, not the opposite.

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Durandal on June 9, 2008 - 10:19am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Shhh! The Bilderberg Group doesn't exist, remember? ;)

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jmygann on June 9, 2008 - 12:05pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Bilderberg Luminary To Select Obama's Running Mate

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2008/052308_bilderberg_luminary.htm

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TtheD on June 9, 2008 - 12:32pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Gawd, I hope that's not true. Any chance they pick Ron Paul?

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WNC Observer on June 9, 2008 - 1:14pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

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Darwinian on June 9, 2008 - 1:10pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Durandal no one, to my knowledge, has ever claimed that the Bilderberg Group doesn't exist. The clame made by conspiracy theory wingnuts is that the Bilderberg Group rules the world.

Bilderberg Group

The Bilderberg Group, Bilderberg conference, or Bilderberg Club is an unofficial annual invitation-only conference of around 130 guests, most of whom are persons of influence in the fields of business, media and politics.

The elite group meets annually at luxury hotels or resorts throughout the world — normally in Europe — and once every four years in the United States or Canada. It has an office in Leiden, South Holland, Netherlands. The 2007 conference took place from May 31 to June 3 at the Ritz-Carlton Hotel in Istanbul, Turkey. The 2008 conference is taking place from June 5 to June 8 in Chantilly, Virginia, United States.

I guess they met in Virginia this year to give directions to all the world's leaders for the next 12 months. Oh yea, the Bilderberg Group is behind all this Peak Oil nonsense also. They are being paid by oil producers to drive up the price of oil. I mean hell, if they control the world then they sure as hell control the oil supply and the price of oil....Right?

Ron Patterson

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Undertow on June 9, 2008 - 2:29pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Conspiracy or not don't you think it strange how little press it gets.

Castrated U.S. Media Remains Obediently Silent On Bilderberg

The mainstream American corporate press has once again proven itself to be no better than the state controlled media in places like Communist China or Zimbabwe, by steadfastly refusing to print even a mention of over a hundred global power brokers meeting in secret to discuss the future of the planet.

...David Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger, the secretary general of NATO, CEO’s of the world’s biggest corporations, U.S. politicians and European royalty were all there in Chantilly, but the U.S. media failed to show and did not even mention that the meeting was taking place, despite Bilderberg themselves issuing a press release!

A press release about a missing dog would make a few local newspapers, but a press release about over a hundred of the most powerful people in the world meeting in secret was completely ignored

Note: I'm not a big fan of Alex Jones - he believes Peak Oil was invented by BP and the global elite.

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eric blair on June 9, 2008 - 3:06pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

The clame made by conspiracy theory wingnuts is that the Bilderberg Group rules the world.

Which is not at all like the reality that the group has many members that are in the 'leadership/ruling class'. Right?

Now, why is it that Alex Jones is loudest media voice reporting on the event?

But if you don't want to answer my question(s) - how about George Ure's questions?

Rumors that Obama and Clinton were both in attendance are somewhat speculative (or are they?) but you'd think that if we had a real working/functional press corp that someone would have the balls to point out that with reported attendees like Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson and Secretary of State Condi Rice that something more than carefully massaged (sterile) press releases should be issued. Whatever happened to daylight democracy?

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Durandal on June 9, 2008 - 3:22pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Alex is a bit whack in my opinion on a lot of things, but spot on in regards to a bunch of others. He's convinced that a certain fraternal order that I associate with is an evil group hellbent on global domination, and I take exception to that. Of course, his mind on it is that I'm just not filled in on the true details of the group, and I'm brainwashed or some such thing.

Even so, I listen to his radio show once a week or two, as he does a good job of keeping us updated on our loss of civil rights. I think of him for Big Brother as The Automatic Earth is to Financial Collapse. hehe

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eric blair on June 9, 2008 - 4:39pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Alex is a bit whack in my opinion on a lot of things, but spot on in regards to a bunch of others.

Alex looks at the world through a filter of 'people in power lie'. And I can't fault that filter, as, from what I can tell, such a rule is right quite often.

The man makes his living pointing out all the wierd-ness of things like REXX, Adjenda 21, various bits of hardware and buildouts that are gonna put some people in a world of hurt.

He's convinced that a certain fraternal order that I associate with is an evil group hellbent on global domination,

Well, if Alex was up on his rants, he'd had one year to talk about 'old JD Van Hollen being grand master AND attorney general. (Actual active high level policos are rare) If Alex is around in a few election cycles AND JD runs for the job of El Jefe - Alex might have to take some meds to not pop a vessel. The officer line is published - you think he'd unleash his diggers VS the 50 grand lodge lines in the US of A, plus all the other grand lodges that exist.

BUT....

Next time you go your lodge meeting wear one of these:

http://www.warehouse23.com/item.html?id=SJG9002I A few of your brothers will ask 'what group is that' and you can tell 'em its your illumanti pin.

At the grand lodge meeting this year no one asked. Perhaps the word is out about me. :-(

http://www.warehouse23.com/info/eip.html

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Undertow on June 9, 2008 - 5:10pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

http://www.warehouse23.com/item.html?id=SJG9002I

So your Subversion Division (purple) I see. I used to have a white one (Field Operations) which I bought in a sci-fi bookshop in Edinburgh about 25 years ago. Or at least I think that's how I got it :-)

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eric blair on June 9, 2008 - 6:47pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

So your Subversion Division (purple) I see.

Around these parts, sure. For who's end and what the grand plan is FNORD.

(I at one time had 2 complete sets. Would cycle through them - and 2 people actually asked 'why the different colors?')

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joule on June 9, 2008 - 5:31pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Darwinian -

While the Bilderberg Group may not rule the world, I don't think you can deny that the collection of people who attend their little annual backyard barbecue pretty much do, or at least heavily influence what does or does not happen.

So, I guess you think the whole purpose is just so the likes of Henry Kissinger, Dick Chaney, oil company CEOs, et al, can eat some hot dogs together, down a few cool ones, and talk about this year's NASCAR season.

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ResponsibleAccountable on June 10, 2008 - 12:06am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

well... yeah

if you ever attend any of these gatherings that are talked about like this, or just talk to some of the people that do, you'll find it's a lot of people who share common interests eating well, chin-wagging and hearing each other's opinions on stuff...

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ResponsibleAccountable on June 10, 2008 - 12:03am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

i hear ya

the level of paranoia about these groups is crazy ... Bildeberg, Tri-lateral Commission, Bohemian Grove, etc.

people into train spotting get together every so often... people who collect Beanie Babies get together from time to time

so do rich powerful people - they have shared interests... they probably do deals... but mostly the sit around and chin wag and see what everyone else is hearing and thinking

do the attendees collectively have more influence on world affairs than you and i and our facebook friends list? of course... but that's not the same as secretly controlling the world

if you want to secretly control the world you don't need to do it at a public gathering...

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LoveOregon on June 10, 2008 - 12:35am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Was there confirmation that Obama and McCain were in attendance?

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ResponsibleAccountable on June 10, 2008 - 12:55am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

well i'd hope they would be - i mean someone wanting to be leader of the US should take the opportunity to buttonhole these folks if they're all in one place

again - doesn't mean there's some nefarious plot

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karlof1 on June 10, 2008 - 1:29am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Apparently you nor anyone else here has read the Trilateral Commission's report, The Crisis of Democracy. I read it as part of my studies into the nature of the US Empire, and I suggest it be read despite its being 30 years-old. Much information about this group and its report can be gleaned from the web. I suggest this as one of several possible starting points.

An excerpt:

"The report argues that what is needed in the industrial democracies "is a greater degree of moderation in democracy" to overcome the "excess of democracy" of the past decade. "The effective operation of a democratic political system usually requires some measure of apathy and noninvolvement on the part of some individuals and groups." This recommendation recalls the analysis of Third World problems put forth by other political thinkers of the same persuasion, for example, Ithiel Pool (then chairman of the Department of Political Science at MIT), who explained some years ago that in Vietnam, the Congo, and the Dominican Republic, "order depends on somehow compelling newly mobilized strata to return to a measure of passivity and defeatism... At least temporarily the maintenance of order requires a lowering of newly acquired aspirations and levels of political activity." The Trilateral recommendations for the capitalist democracies are an application at home of the theories of "order" developed for subject societies of the Third World."

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Aniya on June 10, 2008 - 1:41am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Hi Responsible,

Good point. And about

re: "...doesn't mean there's some nefarious plot."

Possibilities:

1. Doesn't mean there is a nefarious plot.

2. Doesn't mean there is not a nefarious plot.

3. Doesn't mean there is not a plot and that its contributors share the belief that it's not at all nefarious, but rather benign.

4. Might mean there's some plot and that its contributors choose to avoid questioning the assessment of how nefarious it may be, rather see it as either A) not of a whole (no "it" there), or, B) as the only logical outcome of necessity...

5. Or whatever.

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galacticsurfer on June 9, 2008 - 10:33am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Great stuff undertow.

I was interested in the prediction as I had read following here:

http://www.mmacycles.com/articles/articles/pluto-in-capricorn/

The Sun represents the leader, or chairman, of the FRB. Pluto represents termination of his role or change of his duties in a substantial way, or a major transformation in the institution itself.

Natal Pluto represents the debt structure of the entity. Transiting Pluto in opposition to it might be the awareness that the FRB either does not have the money we thought it had, or its power as an independent and rather secretive institution is being threatened – and maybe successfully.

Why would this happen? Why would there be such substantial changes to the FRB? Probably because the country is in some kind of a crisis, and the political leaders want a scapegoat. Or maybe because things are being revealed about the FRB’s past history that calls into question the reason for its very existence. These revelations may create an outrage. Maybe they pertain to the sub-prime crisis we are now going through or maybe something else entirely different that creates such an outrage, and a demand for stripping its powers.

This was written beginnning of 2008 about 2008 planetyry transits and it seems to be panning out like he predicted. It would be interesting to see if th Fed and or Bernake are washed up this year. Maybe some shadowy rich people who think they are Gods have zippo influence over planetary orbits and can't make reality do what they want just as Bush could not.

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BobE on June 9, 2008 - 5:07pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

I guess the astrologer's view is just as likely to be accurate as that of a certain oil expert whose name begins with a 'Y'.

I asked an astrologer friend last autumn to make a forecast for 'oil' and he muttered darkly about Pluto in Capricorn and said that the excrement would hit the fan in January (correct). His prognosis for the immediate future seems to be very gloomy indeed.

Obviously the EIA and the UK BERR look elsewhere for their rose-tinted information.

BobE

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pi on June 9, 2008 - 9:11pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

I couldn't help but notice---they're not riding their bicycles there!!! WHYEVER not??

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