DownSouth-- do you live in the USA? Just look around you for an explanation, or at least confirmation that "a country as well educated and technologically advanced as Germany could have succumed to the ravings of a madman."

We are not as well educated as the Germans were. And our advanced technology is run by foreigners or super-specialist nerds who obey only money and will believe anything to get more. That's why the day after America's Reichstag fire, our fuehrer called not for personal sacrifice, but continued shopping.

So Germany's problem was that they were too willing to obey an official-looking hierarchy, and our problem is that we're too willing to be whores.

Now an all-whore Fourth Reich offers some entertainment value.

Perhaps I should make it clear from the start that I am NOT an admirer of Adolf Hitler or his politics. But at the start Adolf Hitler wasn't presented as a raving madman at all. This attitude, that he was truly dangerous and a threat was confined to a small number of people on the left of German politics. For many on the right he was seen as something close to a saviour. He was also probably the first truly modern politician.

He was a wartime hero, a straight talkin' kind of guy, a rough-diamond, a bit of a maverick who could talk to ordinary people in style they understood. He was no fancy intellectual. He wasn't afraid to get his hands dirty. He'd seen action and he'd dragged himself up, and in way his life-story seemed to symbolize or personify the history of contemporary Germany. He was a kind of icon.

He had a distinctive way of speaking that apparently appealed to people and made him sound down to earth and honest. He was, after all, an Austrian, and Austrian German sounds kind of 'folksy' compared to high German, well at least I think it does.

Compared to most politicians in Germany Hitler seemed to have a vision, to actually believe in something passionately, a new and better world, a world where everyone pulled together for the common good. It was left or right, rich or poor. It was Germany, a 'volk' united, prosperous and free. He was a breath of fresh air, a new start, the promise of a new beginning, hope one could believe in.

Before television politicians gave long speeches. Hitler gave long speeches. He was good at it. He touched people and moved them. Normally we only hear tiny portions of his speeches, the climaxes, when he's in full flow and reaching the summit of his climb up the rhetorical mountain. The long journey up and onwards is an unknown territory for most non-specialists in German history. Hitler's long speeches are impressive political theatre. Communication is a complex mix of many different types of signals. It isn't just about words and what they mean, but how they sound and how they are used, the gestures one uses, the impression one gives, how one 'plays' the hall like an actor or musician, the ebb and flow of the crowd. Hitler mastered the art of communication in his prime. This made him terribly dangerous as his politics were so extreme, only at the time this was a minority view. The Reds were seen as a bigger threat to society than Hitler.

What's really frightening about what happened in Germany is that it could happen again somewhere else, given similar circumstances. The German experience was extreme, but it would be fatal to imagine it was unique and unrepeatable. Hitler was the leader of a political cult. He was surrounded by a small group of ruthless, highly motivated, determined men, with a secret programme for change, men who wanted to save Germany and restore its greatness. The totalitarian mindset was and is not confined to Germans. There are echoes of totalitarianism and the search for a leader of distinction in our own, troubled societies. The phrase, cometh the time, cometh the man, springs to mind.

Writerman - well said about Hitler's talents, even though peculiarly he was a far from appealing or impressive person in one-to-one situations (he tended too much to intolerant monologue diatribes).

The thing was that the rest of the Nazi gang desperately needed him for his marketing genius. And so he could not be dismissed as the lone ranting nutter he otherwise would have been.

But there's also the myth put about by the politically-correct stilted history propaganda, that Naziism somehow just started in the 1920s, apparently by the personal initiative of nasty Mr Hitler. In reality Hitler's success was because he plugged into the anger of the age. WW1 was caused by the population pressure of the Slavic world against the German lands, and a century of the rich people's embrace of multiculturism profiteering therein. (Just like today.) WW1 was primarily about a dream of driving back the Slavs to make "Lebensraum", and sparked by a Slav assassinating that Archduke in Sarajevo.

When WW1 ended in humiliation for the Germans, massively aggravated by Churchill's stupid reparations policies (opposed by Keynes), the ground was set for the racist hatred which Hitler as an unqualified homeless vagrant could fully connect into. The Jews were a convenient first scapegoat because they were easy to envy and located right there to be attacked. But they weren't what Naziism was primarily inspired by.

There are many differences between USA in 2008 and Germany 1928. For one thing, USA is just now losing the wars, and is not yet destitute.

Still, it is pretty obvious that masses of people will swarm behind the likes of Huey Long, for example-- to get away from present personalities. Who knows where he might have gone with somewhat different circumstances?

All it seems to take is a destitute population and a charismatic leader who gives them hope for a better future. If they can be convinced there is no hope, they will never rise -- the Russian serfs submitted for many generations before a revolution finally was kindled out of WWI.

I believe that Americans will sink into a wallow of useless and helpless self-pity for a long time before any demagogue will have the power to move them. We are going to look more like Albania than Germany.

I don't think it would take much to motivate Americans to support tyranny. You could probably get 40% of the population to support you tomorrow if you promised them that nuking Tehran would deliver $1.50/gallon gas. Imagine where they'll be in 10 years.

More than that would vote for Bush if he ran again, and he's already killed hundreds of thousands of people for little or no gain and has tried pretty hard to turn the US into a police state.

The Nazis never got more than I think about 42% of the vote, and that was with brown-shirts terrorizing the populace at voting time.

Churchill's reparations policy?
Please advise on his position in the British Government in 1919, and how he influenced matters as opposed to how the French influenced the setting of reparations.

For a very interesting view of WWI reparation talks, read "The Economic Consequences of the Peace" by Keynes. It contains a very nerd-friendly view of German coal production capability with TOD-like numbers for why the reparations were stupid.

I have just now looked at the Wiki article, however, and may someday read "The Carthaginian Peace: or the Economic Consequences of Mr. Keynes", by Mantoux, which is a refutation.

I would compare America today more along the lines of
of Russia pre Bolsheviks (1917)
The same ilk of people in power and the use of
subtrafuge then who seized power,also have done the
same today in the USA.
Of course my mere mention of the 800 lb gorrilla at
the table makes me an automatic lunatic.
Quick..someone call the Mossad and alert them.

Not at all, I believe. All Americans are either "rich" (by any historical standard) or "pre-rich", meaning they believe if they work hard and do the right thing, they will become rich. Of course, there are some who could be said to be in the position of the serfs in pre-Bolshevik Russia, and there are large numbers of "invisible" people -- the mentally ill, the destitute aged, the poor blacks (and some whites) in inner cities -- but they are invisible to the New York Times, and therefore, of no consequence (to the ruling class, anyway).

Pre-Bolshevik, I don't believe the serfs and the working classes in the city had any such idea as hop for any better future. They were the downtrodden, and they accepted it as the will of God -- until everything blew up in the first world war.

This will all change when Americans become the Formerly Well Off, and whine about their reduced condition.