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Saudi Arabia can’t find customers!
From the New York Times: Saudi Oil Project Brings Skepticism to the Surface
This is an article about Khurais and how many doubt that it will be able to produce as much oil as the Saudis claim. As many of you know, I have expressed such doubts, on this list, many times before. But would the Saudi’s lie? Well I found this statement very astounding:
I was not aware that Saudi was getting a 50 percent recovery rate. The number thrown around most is 30 to 35 percent for all the fields in the world, slightly higher for sandstone reservoirs than carbonate reservoirs. I have heard that C02 injection could improve on this rate but so far no one is doing it on any grand scale.
Now we hear that Saudi Arabia is able to recover 50 percent of all the oil under Saudi soil. And that is not the only good news, they will soon be able to recover 70 percent of OOIP. However all that is unnecessary right now because they cannot find customers for the oil they are currently producing. The article ends with this statement:
Now I have absolutely no doubt that Khurais could produce 1.2 million barrels of oil per day. It is just that I doubt that it ever will produce that much oil due to the fact that Saudi will not be able to find customers for all that oil. ;-)
One more point: For those interested in Saudi’s history of propaganda may want to review this Oil Drum thread: Saudi Arabia’s Crude Oil Reserves Propaganda
Ron Patterson
I believe that they had similar complaints in early 2006. Despite diligent efforts, they were unable to find buyers for all of their oil, even their "light/sweet oil."
In round numbers, their cumulative inability to find buyers for all of their oil, through March, 2008, was over 600 mb--the difference between what they would have produced at their 2005 rate and what they actually produced (EIA, C+C).
Also Mexico seems to be having awful problems selling its oil.
It seem this year there was a huge drop in sales from Mexico.
It must be hard for the oil exporters these days. Still, at least they can get a good price for what they do sell.
I've previously discussed the Texas Railroad Commission's efforts to voluntarily restrict production for 36 years, because of our inability to find buyers for all of our oil, "Even our light/sweet oil." Oddly enough, based on the HL models, Saudi Arabia started having marketing problems at about the same stage of depletion at which buyers vanished for light/sweet Texas oil production. Go figure.
Seems to me they need to invest "heavily" in their marketing department or they are going to become unprofitable.
Perhaps they need to change their "branding" tactics. Let's see...how about hiring Oily Cassandra and KrisCan to do some ads for OPEC??
"Nothing comes between me and my heavy [heavy breath and pause]....sour [another deep, sexy breath]...crude!! I gotta have it...how about you?"
How about, "Real men talk crude"?
Nice...short...to the point. Nice sound bite.
Any other advice we can send to our friends in OPEC. I think also, OPEC needs to do a BP thing...you know "Beyond Petroleum" instead of British Petroleum (wow...flash...was BP way ahead of their time when they changed that?).
OPEC...new definition for acronym?
Oil Producers Eat Cake.
Oil Producers' Exhausted Capacity
Old Producers Extinction Council
Oh Please Enforce Conservation
Oil's Perilous Export Collapse
OPEC... new definitions? Try these suggestions:
optimists & pessimists evermore collide
over pampered elite conspiracy
oligarchical profiteers encouragement club
overseas puppets energy collaborators
overt procrastinators eagerly caterwaul
omnivorous predators erstwhile carnivores
If I may be so bold to add one more:
over producing ever contracting
Ha...all lovely entries. Thanks for playing. Shall we vote on a winner?
Overpopulation Problem Equals Contraction (Malthus was right.)
Only People Eat Carbon (Indirectly true...)
Oil? Petroleum? Energy? Coal! (Gonna switch someday...)
Oil Producing and Ever Consuming (ELM)
Oil Peaked, Everyone Concerned (MSM)
Oh Please, Everyone's Crazy (What the Saudi's are saying)
Over People's Exploding Corpses (What we went to Iraq for)
Outta Petrol, Experiencing Convusions (Our Economy)
Overly Pessimistic, Extremely Concerned (Kunstler)
AND FINALLY...
Only Pennies Every Cup (Matt Simmons)
Alright...the ratings have decided. Geckolizard gets to choose one of his above as the winner. I will select...umm...heck I like them all....well done!!
oil sales seem to be declining in all the major fields.
Saudi Arabia says no oil production boost
Pressed on the issue of market perceptions that foresee future crude supply falling behind the expected growth in global demand, the minister said such perceptions were "wishful thinking."
The term they use for this is Psycological Projection.
And next we'll hear that the Saudis really do know how to get the caramel inside a Caramilk bar. And like the old Cadbury commercial suggests, featuring the devil himself, such knowledge comes courtesy of a Faustinian bargain.
Zadok, I am not sure that 50% is good news, if the Saudi's have peaked or plateaued. The call from Simmons is becoming ever more prescient. If we accept that they are able to get 50% and Ghawar is requiring what I will call extreme measures to mitigate the decline, 70% will not help as much as some might think. All of this rhetoric contrasts sharply with appearances, and we may soon learn the truth, which most here seem to accept - we are in for restricted supplies and increased costs. Those impacts will be even worse if in fact the true recovery factor is presently 50% of OOIP, and specifically if they have accomplished this level of recovery.
Frequently people reveal the truth despite their best efforts to do otherwise.
Woodychuck, I think you've identified one of many aspects of the Saudi Faustian bargain: sell everything to satisfy a temporary and temporal want/need.
They might be able to do that. Of course, it also might require them to run wells with 80%-90% water cut for a couple of centuries to do it.
50 to 70 % recovery....it all depends what they are saying their starting point is. Since that is up for debate, so is the 50-70% recovery of OOIP.
80 billion over 20 years is 4 billion a year, which nicely balances their production rate, so this could be considered an easy way to be able to claim that reserves will continue to remain constant without them actually having to find any more of the stuff.
Do we have analysis of any field to show the total amount they produced in their lifetime VS the amounts of oil they were originally (or subsequently estimated) to contain, both for OOIP and URR? (On a fiel by field basis, not by country)
just in case my question is poorly worded here is a crude example:
field ZARGON (fictional name) end of life produced total 10BBl;
descovery estimate 1970 was 12BBL URR
1975 revised to 15BBL URR
1980 revised to 14BBL URR
etc.etc..
I guess am am asking what oil did it produce compared to what oil it was thought could be produced.
Marco.
Technically, I guess they are not lying. They cannot find buyers of additional oil at current prices. Makes perfect sense. But we should quit caring and move on and face the future, where there will not be sufficient oil for our happy motoring lifestyle.
Well, technically it's true by definition, no? Once equilibrium is reached at a particular price, it will be impossible find additional buyers (or sellers) at that price.
So it would seem that this statement is meaningless nonsense...
It is definitely meaningless noise and he probably knows it. Opening the taps would mean increasing supply which would decrease price which would be followed by whomever else buying at that lower price.
What he is really asking is "Where are the buyers at this price?" and of course, as you note, there are no more at this price.
KSA wants to have their cake and eat it too. Unfortunately, the results of this behavior may not ultimately be what they expect.
Darwin,
I wouldn't completely discount the KSA claims but it's fair to always be suspicious of their claims. Difficult to use "average recovery" numbers when talking about a particular field. Even in the KSA carbonate fields a 50% RF is possible. There were reports that a big ($10 billion) horizontal drilling effort in Gahwar Fld in the late 90's that stablized decline (for a while) and cut water production. But it has also been reported that excessive production rates have dramaticly cut the ult recover from the field.
As far as Khurais Fld goes I'm not to familiar but a couple of important facts. The main field area will produce Arabian light crude and not the heavy stuff that's becoming more difficult to market. They are also installing a pipeline to deliver 2 million bbl of salt water per day for injection to help maintain reservoir pressure as production proceeds. This should help ult recovery greatly. I also don't think most of the existing wells are horizontal but that could be altered down the road as the water level rises.
But a key element of ult recovery is often missing...the time element. I've been studying a field in Texas that has produced over 300 million bls of oil over the last 60 years (about 50 - 55% recovery. It's still doing several hundred bopd. And it will keep producing even at the current 99% water cut. Come back in 30 or 40 years and ult rec may be 70%. Or maybe I'll get in there and drill some horizontal holes and speed that time frame up.
So when anyone throws out an ult rec number they should show the anticipated decline rate. Which brings us back to the key element of PO: it's not the amount of reserves in the ground but the maximum daily production rate of those reserves at any given point in the field's life.
ROCKMAN...thanks for keeping our eyes on the ball. It is the "rate of production" that never gets discussed in great detail when "officials" discuss supply and demand balances, but it is key to everything.
In Khurais, all of the new producers and injectors are horizontal wells. See Khurais Me A River
In Ghawar, horizontal wells were not widely used until the Haradh II project in the early part of this decade. Haradh I in the mid 90s was all vertical, but some wells in Abqaiq about the same time were horizontal. Shaybah was horizontal and later MRC wells, Qatif (comp. 2004) horizontal, Haradh III and Khursaniyah both MRC, Nuayyim (who cares?), and Khurais back to horizontal.
"...often missing...the time element."
my many posts on the subject of gravity drainage have generally fallen on deaf ears.
every reservoir has a rate of production that can be supported by gravity segregation. some more (a steeply dipping reservoir with a high permeability and low viscosity crude, a field like... oh.... lessee.............say, ghawar) for example, and some less (a thin flat reservoir with heavy crude) for example.
if you hang around long enough, a large percent(50%, 65% or 70%, take your pick) will be recovered. and despite the best laid plans of mice and men (depletion,waterflood,eor), the oil comes out anyhow, but on its own time.
The East Texas oil field still produces 1 million barrels/day. Unfortunately, it is 99% water.
I understand that Abqaiq in Saudi Arabia is "resting" allowing pressure to build and oil to separate. Rest 4 years, produce 1, repeat.
Some VERY long tails out there.
Alan
Unfortunately, while the fields are "resting", the world of consumption is not.
Rockman, do you know the sulphur content at Khurais? There was a story a week or two ago about Saudi Arabia being unable to sell light, sour oil at the price they were asking (about a $3/bbl premium over what people were willing to pay). I'm not sure it is just heavy oil that is hard to sell at premium prices.
The 50% figure comes from Abqaiq, where that claim has some validity.
I discussed this a bit in:
Abqaiq and Eat It Too
Carbonates are extremely variable, so one cannot say that Ghawar should only yield 35%. However, Ghawar isn't Abqaiq either, and most indications are that the the residual oil saturation (the amount left after the waterflood) will be higher across Ghawar than in Abqaiq. See also:
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/2563
As far as getting to 70%, they are just extrapolating what they expect to get from Abqaiq. Sort of an extrapolation of an extrapolation. Judge accordingly.
Joules, thanks for the input. Let's think about this for a moment. How do we know what the recovery rate really is. There is really no way of knowing! We can never know exactly how much oil is left in the ground, soaked into the reservoir capillaries, never to come out. Yet this is one figure we must know if we are to calculate the percentage of oil recovered.
Of course we can know what percentage of the original estimated OOIP was recovered. But OOIP is always just an estimate. And the recovery rate can be easily manipulated by simply re-estimating the OOIP.
Ron Patterson
One can look at how much oil is left in a core sample retrieved from a watered out area (such as near to a water injector). This can be used with an OOIP estimate to come up with a best case scenario. But of course: all numbers are wrong -- some are just wronger than others.
"....an extrapolation of an extrapolation. Judge accordingly."
well, so is the 35% recovery an extrapolation. to be quite honest, i think simmons has his head up his a$$ on that one.
So then its the over abundance of supply thats driving up the price.
Sort of makes sense along with the rest of the financial news as of late.
(sarc)
Isn’t there a basic math problem here.
If the 50% and 70% relate to the total amount of oil that can be extracted from what was there in the first place.
And if the delta between 50% and 70% is 80 Billion barrels.
Then this would indicate there was only 400 billion barrels there in the first place.
If this is correct then it is possible to extrapolate several possible scenarios one of which is that the person making the statement is really bad at math.
"If the 50% and 70% relate to the total amount of oil that can be extracted from what was there in the first place."
recovery factor is always based on ooip (original oil in place). the best ESTIMATE of ooip for ghawar, determined by aramco before the exiling of the 7 sisters, and confirmed by others, notably euan means, stuart, ace, etal is about 170 Gb. recovery estimates vary all over the map.
I was at a lunch reception at the Offshore Technology COnvention in Houston in May. I happened to be standing next to some Schlumberger reps and Saudi Aramco engineers.
We started discussing recovery rates. The Saudi rep said that the current recovery rate is 35%, but there is technology in the pipeline to move the recovery rate up to 50%. And eventually, the Saudis expect to see 70%.
The Schlumberger reps were nodding in agreement. Then one of the Schlumberger guys said "We love working with the Saudis because they have the resources and desire to do it all right."
It was a very upbeat assessment for the Saudi fields and oil-future.
Thxs for the info: did they mention the future flowrates [which are key!]?
300,000 bobbing horsehead pumps at 99% water won't make for much of a resulting crude flowrate compared to a fresh, naturally pressurized oil basin daily free-flowing millions of barrels of 99% crude from freshly drilled superstraws.
"We love working with the Saudis because they have the resources and desire to do it all right."
does "do it all right" include buying lots of expensive services from schlumberger ?
Oil field services are a major export. Something we can trade for crude. Don't knock it !
Alan
or in the case of howco in iraq, we can export "services" and import debt piled on more debt.