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Ducks do not fix nitrogen. The nitrogen in their waste is from plants and is less than you would get by plowing the plants into your land. Ditto the K and P.
Not that I have a problem with ducks, especially over rice.
If we want to fix nitrogen, we can. Natgas is just the cheapest source of fixed nitrogen. Now if we could just get our fertilizer plants started up again so we don't have to indirectly import half our food supplies from overseas.
Siwmae (Hiya) WK!
Actually my white-clover undersowings, growing strongly as ground cover in my no-till food plots beneath my positively BURGEONING food-plants (see! mine's bigger'n yourn! Nyah!) do seem to be fixing atmospheric nitrogen pretty effectively, just as the experts say.
Also, the plots get composting-john output, once it's been well composted in the holding bins. And the free-ranging Muscovey ducklings (with their Turkish [Anatolian, Kangal, Karabash, Akbash, take your pick of these names and do a Youtube search] Shepherd Dog bodyguard) are taking up a lot of nitrogen, phosphorus, and other goodies, in the form of slugs, snails, etc., and passing them along to the beds in the form of their collected night-droppings. Collected and spread by me, that is. The duckling don't go up on the raised beds. You can multiply detailed local tactics of food-growning like this endlessly, using the permaculture methods.
Bob's right: if we can just drag ourselves into being slightly brighter than yeast, and get sophisticated organinc growing going bigtime, in the form of the many already-proven tactics of permaculture, we should be able to replace the horrendously inefficient, abysmally low productivity of industag (see here: http://www.permaculture.com/drupal/node/141 for more vindication of that assertion) with an organic agriculture that could, realistically, feed everyone -- whilst we do something humane but effective about our current population overshoot.
But WILL humans behave more wisely than yeast......? What do you reckon! --RhG
Just curious, how do you keep the ducks off the raised beds? And what do you feed the dog with?
Damn fox got my duck. Bit through the wire to get a grip and then ripped the wire netting off the night cage. Poor duck didn't stand a chance :(
Too bad about your duck.
After my ducks went and ravaged my bed of broad beans, I got hold of some plastic fencing that one can get at hardware and agriculture stores cut it into halves about 2 feet high and that seems to have done it for my Indian runners and Khacki Campbells which don't fly even that high and are not much in the jumping department either, (I wonder how they survived long enough to become domesticated). That fencing is easy to move and set up using a stick pushed into the ground every so often to make it stand.
Thanks Crystal. Yes, I used something similar, but to keep the duck on the bed prior to planting. The trouble I find with some Organic/Permaculture methods is that they're difficult to scale. I'm currently looking to extend my area of cultivation to 5000 m2 (1.25 acres) per year. Fencing becomes a headache in the end and try finding enough mulch to cover an acre.
Interesting about the Khacki Campbells. One of the reasons I had to cage my duck was due to it flying over the fences. Otherwise it would have been in a different area and safe from the fox. I should have clipped her wings, but she seemed so proud of them I didn't have the heart :(
When dealing with nature (or reality) then I guess sentiment has to be replaced with pragmatism.
5ooo m2? Well Burgandy, that's more energy than I have.
My vegetable garden is about 3500 sq feet and the rest of a quarter acre in fruit nuts and berries.
I am going to try using a mustard cover crop this fall as it is supposed to die away nicely. I plant in intensive beds (no dig) so that there is no room for mulch. If I had more land I would likely be spreading things out and undersowing as Rhisiart Gwilym (above) is doing. On mulch I think that what might be a passing thought is paper mulch, there is just do much paper about. My wife shreads just what comes through the mail and that gives bags more than enough, for the carbon layers, in the kitchen compost. Would need a pretty heavy duty industrial shredder though I guess:(
Never said it fixes nitrogen, said it produces it, and I hope you are ploughing with a horse as you will never get a horse egg from a tractor ... hmm then again, maybe you should think about getting a duck and forget that horse, as I remember, their eggs have a distinctly fishy taste:)