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From the examples in his video, it appears those people are in denial. I sincerely doubt I would be just as happy 1 year later if I won $300 million vs. being a paraplegic. You can bed a lot more women being a multi-millionaire than a paraplegic. There are opportunities I missed out on in life and I sure as hell don't think I'm better for it. Synthesizing happiness sounds a lot like "just settling" instead of being ambitious and going for your goals of acquiring more - power, wealth, assets, women.
I was raised to never settle. Never be satisfied when you can achieve more and acquire more. Great businessmen of our times such as Bill Gates had the desire to acquire the largest share of the PC marketplace and conquer his opponents. The American dream is built upon the idea that everyone has the opportunity to acquire as much as he can in order to separate the winners from the losers. Our most popular sport - football - is all about being the biggest, baddest, meanest S.O.B. who can destroy everyone else.
With that in mind and coming full circle back to the Status and Curiosity article, those who are not ambitious enough to take/acquire resources (oil) will move down in their standard of living. Their voluntary (or involuntary) reduction of consumption of resources will only make it easier for those of us whose goals are to acquire said resources. Expand this idea of the national level and you can see that the nations who will come out ahead post PO will be those who will, by any means necessary, acquire & secure resources. That can only lead to one thing - war. It's all about survival.
Or it could be that you're in denial... about human nature.
Those are the results of their surveys. People have a sort of natural level of happiness they gravitate to as individuals. If you're a miserable bugger, you'll be a miserable bugger no matter what; if you're a cheery chappy, you'll be a cheery chappy no matter what. Events may make you leap up or plunge down for a short while, but a year or so later you'll have drifted back to your natural level of happiness.
You can disbelieve it if you like but that's the observation of generations of counsellors, the results of heaps of studies, and so on. Each of us has an individual nature, and we follow it.
To a certain extent, but these studies are flawed if their representations are as simple as you state. Other stats show that suicide rates are different at different ages-highest for old white men. IMO nursing homes and senior residences have a level of visceral unhappiness that to a certain extent brings his lecture into question. I have met a few really miserable buggers, and IMO they don't age well-they have a lot more to be bitter about.
Good point. If someone is of poor health & in constant pain, it's kind of hard for the happiness synthesizing part of the brain to make the real pain go away.
There's a point where reality trumps our virtual synthesized lives.
Wel, he's not saying that your happiness never changes, merely that the big things we seek and fear don't have the lasting effect we expect.
I don't know of studies of it, but my feeling is that as people get older, their minor personality traits get squeezed out by their major ones, which grow.
It is funny-the guy reminded me of one of those techno cornucopians who advocate paving over the rain forest to make a huge parking lot. What he totally misses is that although brain chemistry can be altered, we are social creatures and dependent on and affected by our environment to a great deal. Happiness is less prevalent in some crack ridden neighbourhood in Motown than it is in Waikiki, which makes it easier for the average person to be happy in the happier vibe place. We don't stand alone no matter what his "studies" say.
People tend to "revert to type", as my grandmother used to say.
Suggesting that people have a natural level of happiness toward which they gravitate is missing the elephant in the room: the surrounding environment.
You don't "gravitate" toward anything unless there is a massive force, like gravity, which externally attracts you there.
How can someone be a miserable bugger unless there is something external about which to be miserable? I find the prospect of die-off and ecological destruction miserable, real but miserable. I don't find eating chocolate, walking on sunny days, or watching pretty women to be miserable.
It's almost like saying people have a natural level of hunger that they reach, when you are ignorant of how much food they eat. Are starving people at a satiety equilibrium?
How many previous cheery chaps were singing in the streets of Hiroshima or Nagasaki after the bombs were dropped?
Was the last Native American in a tribe to survive smallpox-ridden blankets laughing as he gasped his last breath?
"Human nature" does not exist independently of the surrounding environment.
Your post is interesting because it suggests that capitalism is not concerned with providing happiness to people, but rather building up the power of one group of people to conquer another.
But why conquer another people? Or why not allow yourself to be conquered, if this video is correct? As long as you survive, even as a lowly serf, you will still find (manufacture?) things in everyday life to be happy about.
I still have a difficult time buying that argument, though. If this video is correct, then there's no reason to try hard at anything. Just work as little as you can to buy food, housing, medicine, and necessities for yourself, sit back and relax during your free time, smoke some pot (or have sex, either with a partner or "solo"--there's a cheap happiness machine if there ever was one!), chill out, and just pass the days away in blissful mediocrity. If you get bored, just invent some games for yourself or something else to bring some novelty factor to your life (maybe that's what social relationships are about a lot of the time--introducing daily novelty). Amuse yourself. Ta da!
Are we, in 2008, happier than hunter-gatherers in 5000 B.C.E. who were at the mercy of natural disasters and preventable diseases? Or did they rationalize, "Dang, I didn't catch that wild boar. Oh well, I felt like eating wild raspberries anyways. Just as long as I have enough to eat." ???
Is there an equilibrium happiness that we naturally always come back to anyways? So is there no point in doing anything for ourselves?
I can say with some certainty that I am not as happy this summer as I was two summers ago, but I'm still happier than I was last summer, when I had to go through a surgery and undergo about two-months of healing. Are these just mental illusions?
The thing is that we decide our goals on what we think will make us happy; what actually makes us happy is something different.
Just in this thread we have people saying they don't believe it, that they'd be as happy as a paraplegic as they would as a millionaire. So they make plans to get more money, etc.
I question the methodology of these studies-they sound like they were sponsored by Merck or Pfizer-change your synthesized brain chemistry and instant happiness can be yours. Personally, reaching my goals consistently brings me happiness-failing to reach them makes me unhappy. IMO the most important and underrating contributor to human happiness is your immediate environment-the persons you physically interact with. It is very challenging for anyone to maintain a miserable attitude when surrounded by happy persons. It is very challenging for anyone to maintain a positive attitude while surrounded by miserable a-holes.Life is a team sport.
To love and be loved. Ah, now there's the ticket. I don't doubt you are unhappy when you don't reach your goals, but wouldn't it be better if you could be happy regardless?
I'm sorry, I can't synthesize the rat trap we're in into being a "glorious" experience.
Energy prison is energy prison.
Good point however since life began it consumes energy. Everything in the Universe in order to HAPPEN needs energy!
We need to reform civilization because we cannot create a nature of our own and live independently from the nature who created us and paradoxilly expect to extract everything we want from it indefenetly.
We need to reform work and value it differently. Stop mass production, produce locally. Put machines and automatization at the service of wellbeing of society and not at the service of profits. Profits and accumulation of riches must not be a goal, as long as this happens there will be tensions. GDP cant influence employment at all! I must stress this! This is a fatal flaw of this civilization!
Our cultural education and life goals have to migrate from material stuff (cars, computers, houses, cell phones, etc) to non physical things (knowledge, arts, spirituality, philosofy, socializing, etc).
The video is correct or it isn't. Your argument reminds me about an argument for the existence of God that goes if there is no God, then why bother. Well, I don't know, but it is what it is.
Some people need to bust their ass during their whole life times because they feel this is a necessity or they think it makes them happy or lead to happiness. Fine. Others retire early and pursue other pursuits like reading TOD or working to improve their local communities. There is no cookie cutter solution for everyone.
One way to pretty much guarantee lack of happiness it to pursue those goals that society prescribes for you. Follow a different drummer. Follow your own drummer, your own passion, your own truth.
Anyway, I think happiness may be more a function of a happiness gene that anything else. You can be happy with money or without, but only if you have that gene.
The studies aren't saying that people in poverty are just as happy as those who are rich. They are saying that after a certain level of reasonable income that happiness does not increase. After a certain level, more and more doesn't cut it.
Capitalism benefits those who put in the effort to maximize their skills. All others be damned. It weeds out the productive people in society from those who leach off of others. That is otherwise known as socialism. With capitalism, you either win or lose based on your determination and skills which nature selected for you. With socialism, you can be lazy and unproductive and leach the resources off of those who are successful.
So as not to seem cold-hearted, those who are successful can choose to donate and help some of those who are not. Look at the charity that Bill Gates started. However, those being helped must make an effort to better themselves and not live off of the handouts of others.
Capitalism also rewards all those parasites living off their daddy's and mommy's efforts. Capitalism is highly dependent upon unlimited growth and encourages that growth. That growth is running up against a finite planet. Capitalism has within it the seeds of planetary destruction and, therefore, its own destruction. The alternative doesn't have to be pure socialism. Capitalism, in order to survive in some form, needs to be constrained. Just because we participate in some form of capitalism doesn't mean we cannot engage in some self restraint. Succeeding based on merit does not require that we eat everything in our path.
Bill Gates, as successful as he is, was also very lucky in that he had well connected parents and lucked into one of the biggest monopolies on this planet, the Dos operating system. It is not simply all about your individual effort.
It is not about capitalism or socialism. It is not about either/or. It is about preserving the planet which will not happen under a regime of unrestrained capitalism. That doesn't mean socialism is better. It just means that we have to find a third way.
And it is not so stark as people being weeded out. Weeding out means destroyed. Those who make less money for whatever reason move on and thrive. It is not either/or as you seem to want to make it.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but in capitalism it seems like the less work you do the more money you make.
When was the last time you saw a president of a banking firm, or a successful stock broker, or a corporate lawyer on Wall Street dig a ditch?
Hell, breaking a sweat is something they haven't experienced since gym in prep school.
Capitalism has the distict shape of a pyramid, and those at the top benefit off the backs of those on the bottom - this is a global preponderance - and in this day in age if you want to make it to the top all you have to do is get lucky, lie, steal, cheat, backstab....ad-nauseum.I love how you use Mr. Gates as an example.I believe your contemporary history of economics is lacking.
If you want to see the ideal economy for man, all you have to do is pick up a Bible and read the Torah portion of the Bible - the first five books in the Bible.It does have an economy outlined for man that is predicated upon equity, and of course, honesty.
It states that every man is entitled to his own land (without having a land tax) and that the individual himself has the right to enjoy his or her labor and hard work.If a person decides to become stagnant and falls into debt, and or poverty, there was a cycle built into the system that allows the descendants of that particular person not to suffer the consequences of his irresponsibility.Every 50 years there was to be what was called the Year of Jubilee in which ALL debts were canceled, and ALL property was returned to the original family of inheritance in which complete indemnification was granted.Everyone would experience this release from debt at least once in their lifetime, and needless to say, it was perhaps one of the greatest experiences one could have.
God's Laws are opposed to communism in the respect that every individual has the God given right to property ownership, and can enjoy the hard work of their labor.
God's Laws are opposed to socialism likewise for the latter reason - if you work hard you reap the benefits.
Most importantly, the Torah is unequivocally and diametrically the opposite of capitalism in the fact wealth cannot be hoarded, and a pyramid type structure of economics cannot be sustained due to the complete cancelation of debts and the indemnification of all properties every 50 years.
When business transactions were conducted, the Year of Jubilee was always taken into consideration.If I was going to sell my property one year after the Year of Jubilee I would sell it for a much higher price than if the Year of Jubilee was near.The productivity timeframe was an important factor in the price of land if it was to be sold.
The main reason this clause is in God's Laws for mankind is to prevent the very usury and inequitable egregious practice of leverage against one another and the oppression of the poor by the inordinate acquisition of wealth; which is so common in our times it makes one execrate in disgust.No matter how hard the poor work to relieve themselves of their misery in this day and age, they cannot, in most circumstances, ameliorate themselves of this unjust burden.
To be a good business man today is a euphemism for depredation.
There are no taxes mentioned in the Torah other than a 10% levy for cattle, and this was primarily to be used for charity purposes for those who were not able to provide for themselves, i.e., orphans and widows.So when you hear these bastards on TV asking for money (tithe) to help their 501c3 corporate 'churches',realize their day of reckoning is coming.If it's not All going to help the poor, there is going to be hell to pay - literally.
Even though God's Laws have been summarily rejected from time immemorial and the Old Covenant was never really kept, this did not thwart the plan of God's redemption.For in the falure of the people to abide by the Laws of Torah, God promised a New Covenant in which His laws would be written on the hearts of man through Yeshua.
The reason the Antichrist comes to power, according to the book of Revelation, is primarily through an oppressive economic system prevalent in the world in the last days of this age.The pyramidal type system intensifies as that day draws near.The reason many in the churches, if not most, fail to comprehend what is transpiring is primarily due to their 501c3 corporate status - not realizing they are imbedded in the system.
Yes, it will be NGO's that control the world eventually, and they will attempt to microchip every human being on planet earth as a means of control.
One day, however, Yeshua will return and establish His Kingdom predicated on the laws stated above.
One can believe whatever they choose to, but that does not change reality.
But why conquer another people? Simple. Survival trumps happiness.
Survival of the fittest?
Oh,I get it. Capitalism is nothing less than Darwinian economics.
Are we animals or are we human beings created by God?
If one enjoys conquering another human being, and profiteering from their misery;
No wonder these individuals do not want to believe in a God in whom we must give an account for our actions.
Me??? Happy???
" You can bed a lot more women being a multi-millionaire than a paraplegic. "
A charming paraplegic v. an ugly, smelly multi- millionaire? I dunno.
Isn't there a movie about this? 'The Diving Bell and the Butterfly'.
I don't think things are so dire that happiness needs to be dummied up. I know it's a good way to sell conservation as long as the selling is not too blatant.
Fact- based conservation leads to fact- based happiness.I know people lived better in the 19th century than they do now, but I can't get there from here.
Simple, country- wide energy budgets would solve the immediate crises. Take the US. The US uses approximately 20 million barrels of petro a DAY. If the Feds told us citizens we had to budget our energy use in one year to 8 million BPD, or face strict rationing, car-free weeks and camping out in cold houses ... we would do it! Pretty easily, too. Americans don't like bureaucrats alloting the piddling few gallons of gasoline they can buy in a month. Americans enjoy being challenged, however.
One reason Americans are discontented is because we so rarely are challenged to do difficult things!
The idea is it is very hard to mandate individual steps to conseerve or to develop alternatives; it is best to make an achieveable goal and let the individuals innovate personal solutions to meet that goal.
There is so much wasteful consumption of fuel, that losing a fraction of the waste would cut back a third of the demand. The balance would be made up by technical innovation. The result would be a cut in prices as the marginal demand would rebalance with supply. The US waste factor is probably paralleled in Europe. China's new energy infrastructure is grossly wasteful because they copy obsolete models ... the same is true in Russia, which has a large amount of legacy USSR infrastructure.
The British energy industry could make a deal with Putin to upgrade the Russian's energy set up for a ten year guarantee of relatively inexpensive natural gas. The way the Putinites are going now, no one will lend them a glass of water ... so it would be a good deal for the Russians and take the British government's nuts out of the fire at the same time.
Right now people are anxoius about the future for a lot of reasons ... they even haven't heard about the giant meteorite that's aimed at Los Angeles ... yet. An energy budget equals an achieveable goal. When attained ... it will give people a reason to feel good about themselves.
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Aha! TOB finally discusses something which I've actually done a lot of thinking on. While you may think that settling is a sin, I've found that a Taoist idea keeps me from falling down the consumerist trap.
Essentially, the idea is that being satisfied with what you have happens when you realize that you have everything you truly need, and not a moment sooner. The premise is that in a consumerist society, we are trained to always feel incomplete; that we always need to buy just a little (or a lot, depending on the success of advertisements) more, we'll be happier. This path seems to (and in my observations does) logically lead to a situation where an extremely small fraction of people are happy, while everyone with limited resources is constantly consuming with increasingly diminishing returns.
On the surface, it feels like if people decide that what they have is "enough" and learn to be happy with it, we will lose our drive to improve, learn, and create. In practice, I've found nothing to be further from the truth (as a figure of speech, I suppose I've found saying "Bush is a honest man" to be further).
I am an extremely content person because I don't feel like I deserve anything. Everything I do, every act of creation, everything I do I am extremely grateful for. Treating a significant other's time and attention always as a gift, never as a right makes love last... well, at least until it is meant to end. Staleness and insatisfaction are the result of taking life for granted.
And despite being very happy with what I have, I am no less excited to create, enjoy, and experience the wonderful things in the world. By most objective measures, I am insanely successful, but I know that if I had wasted time and resources on accumulating power and wealth instead of on turning my life into a backdrop for turning work into play, I wouldn't be spending time on my favorite activities, and I wouldn't objectively be nearly as good at them as I am... no fear of failure, no pride in being the best, just the pleasure of creating and improving.
This is a self destructive paradigm. Eventually, the mighty will fall and will ring the planet and everyone down with them. We are going to have less resources. Acquire away. Those who are prepared for scarcity will fare better, on average, than those who are bent on acquisition and consumption. Your destructive approach is largely responsible for the fact that we have exceeded our carrying capacity. Maybe it works on an indiviudal level, but on a collective level it will lead to destruction and dieoff.
More and more acquisition is a fruitless, wasteless endeavor which will not end well. You do not sound happy in your pursuits of endless achievement, wealth, and consumption.
Maybe, maybe not. Either way, they will be the last to feel the effects. Do you honestly believe that powerful men such as Dick Cheney, etc. are not prepared for peak oil? While we may have martial law, I'm pretty sure they will have their own security detail and a lot more freedom. Trying to synthesize happiness under the threat of armed soldiers by saying you are better off than those who still have some freedom is delusion.
I think this is where others assume that acquiring = consumption so you end up with not net change. Those who will succeed are those who combine both acquiring and saving. Just look at our SPR. We have been acquiring oil just in case of a disaster. I applaud President Bush for doing so. However, look at what the Democratic congress did and is trying to do - stop acquiring and instead release the oil so we Americans can have one last consumption orgy.
If you look at all asset-management strategies, the base is to acquire capital and build wealth, not acquire capital then spend it all. The goal is to have enough assets where you can live just off of the returns on your capital. This is radically different than a lot of Americans who falsely acquire assets by going into massive debt only to have them repossessed by the banks.
I will grant you that a good, individual strategy is to preserve capital, including those assets that will be most useful in a coming age of scarcity. However, in the U.S., it is a very rare bird who does not acquire and consume. People's incomes increase but their wants tend to exceed their grasp. Even the relatively well off in terms of income don't do a very good job of preserving capital. Overall, our net savings is less than zero. Massive credit card debt. On and on. Anyway, for the most part, in America, acquisition does indeed equal consumption and beyond for the vast majority. We are a nation debtors. At at the national level, we want a free lunch. Cut taxes forever but do nothing to reduce spending.
Most of Dick Cheney's wealth was acquired by sucking off the government's tit through military contracts based on his connections. Not a good example of capitalism.