Someone could start a political party, SEG the Sustainable Energy Group, whose policies are purely renewable energy, analogous to the way the Greens represent the environment (supposedly).

The Powers That Be set up these stupid two party systems all around the world specifically so they could control things, being given a choice of two parties that essentially obey the same master is no choice at all, there is no democracy, we've been had.

Actually that is not such a bad idea. The Greens have the balance of power in the Senate. You really only need to get one senate seat to have that sort of power over the Government like the pokies guy.

Big Gav how about we start the renewable energy/Peak oil party with the aim of being a lobby group/political party along the lines of the Greens to combat the greenhouse mafia.

I left the Greens because of the fairies at the bottom of the garden people in it and their drugs policy. If we could steer clear of this perhaps we could have a chance. We need to redirect the Green Car money into electric cars and plug ins rather than subsidising Toyota.

Our first sort of objective could be to get Ausra to build a large scale solar thermal with storage here in Australia.

I'm certainly in favour of another party appearing on the political landscape in Australia - preferably a centrist / small "l" liberal/libertarian party to fill the void left by the Democrats, which isn't beholden to the interest groups that own the Liberal and Labor parties.

I'm not sure how best this could be achieved though - there seems to have been lots of attempts without anyone getting much traction.

Happy to listen to ideas on the topic.

Getting some large scale CSP projects underway is a worthy goal though - I'm hoping the increase in the MRET to 20% gets up, which would be the biggest boost that this aim could receive in the short term.

Ausra have had a few state premiers visit them (as per the Brumby / Bligh visit I mentioned earlier in the week), so hopefully they are already doing some marketing to try and expand back home as well.

Don't know either - just how do you start a political party. Perhaps a start in WA would be the go as there is a State election coming up. If we started then we could get some press coverage for free.

It amazes me sometime that some people here can express their dissapointment in the political process in terms as if it is a consumer item that has been sold to us on certain promises and then found to be a dud.

Politics is something you can choose to participate in and, if you do, you will find that the job of a political executive (minister) is much harder than you think. We don't give them absolute power for very good reasons. We shouldn't expect too much from them either. They don't have super powers just becasue they get elected.

In reality, there is a 2 party system.

Those who love money

And those who do not love money

Everything else is BS