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This is an interesting thought experiment. I might be grasping here, but if someone could tie the defense premium being paid by the United States to support and prosecute the occupation of Iraq and the various other military establishments 'defending US interests', to the real price of gasoline at the pump in terms of taxes paid to support said budget and huge deficit incurred by exporting capital to dogdy oil producers, wouldn't that be a 'national security' debate worth having? Or should we just move those 'support the troops' magnets to cover the gas caps of those SUVs when we can and hope that makes people think?
So what's the defense budget - $530 billion? And the supplmentals every year for Iraq nearly $100 billion more. And say the US doctrine of defense is to fight 'two major wars simultaneously', so 50% of that $630 billion goes to support the 13 - 14 MBPD of oil imported into the US everyday, but we spread the cost over the whole consumption of say 22 MBPD (and I don't include gasoline imports). Let's say 20 gallons of gasoline from each barrel, so some 440,000,000 gallons...
Ooh that's a big number.... I must be wrong.
Well, that was the point of question six and raising the 'true cost' of a gallon. There are many studies on this, ranging from $10 up.
My defense budget experiment comes out at about $2 / gallon... I'd like to see the other $8 to $13 filled in by someone, though.
Couple things.
First off, total cost (fully burdened) would could pollution, infrastructure, health and other costs, not 'just' defense/security.
Some figures/sites:
Just on security http://www.evworld.com/news.cfm?newsid=11520 ' all costs are amortized over the total volume of imports, that would be equivalent to adding $5.04 to the price of a gallon of gasoline. For Persian Gulf imports, the premium would be $8.35."
http://www.hybridcars.com/news/real-cost-gallon-gas-835.html the real cost of energy dependence amounts to more than $11.35 per gallon, according to Gal Luft, executive director of the Institute for the Analysis of Global Security.
This is an interesting discussion, that seeks to calculate all costs. Numbers are pretty astounding http://www.energyandcapital.com/articles/oil-gas-crude/461
etc ...
Actually the cost of the Iraq war is thousands if not hundred of thousands of lives lots plus and additional cost of maybe a few ounces of gold to cover real electricity costs or say a ton of coal.
This is the cost of doing the electronic transfers of a fiat currency we don't even have printing costs.
As long as people keep accepting your fiat currency you can wage war forever for free.
memmel, I wouldn't say "forever."
Imperial Spain also thought it could go on forever:
(Carlos Fuentes, The Buried Mirror)
Virtual. Indeed.
Or how about doubling the US national debt overnight by bailing out Fannie and Freddie? And the reason they have to be bailed out to this degree? That the administration has been continually pushing them to increase leverage and exposure. This crash is intentional.
cfm in Gray, ME, Milliways
There is an element missing from the question posed here. That is, it addresses the question only from perspective of the effects of toppling Saddam.
Let's ask this question: Where would we stand if Saddam were still in power. (1) Would we still be trying to keep him in his box and, what would the cost of that be? (2) If we tired of the cost of keeping him contained, would he give up his designs to control Arab oil? Would he stop making war on his neighbors. Would he stop exterminating anyone who disagrees with him? (3) With Iran building nuclear weapons, would dear ole Saddam sit quietly by and do nothing, or would he engage in an arms race with the ayatollahs?
I would submit that Saddam would likely be an even bigger problem today than he was 7 years ago. The military cost of keeping him down probably would have been less, but it takes little imagination as to what the political cost would now be on the price of oil with both Iraq and Iran going at each other yet again.
My question still stands, trollbot.
I think that your comments on Saddam are really, really dumb.
1/ Saddam was boxed in for 12 years and not a threat to the west or Iran.
2/ Saddam was a mean S.O.B., but at least under him there was no Al-Qaida-in-Iraq.
3/ A few warships off the coast, patrol the no fly zones, fire a few cruise missiles occasionally. 6 years (2003-08) at a few billion dollars/year and no bodycount.
4/ 120,000 troops freed up that could have finished the job in Afghanistan= no resurgance of the Taliban and one dead Bin Laden.
The troll comment about you was harsh but at least a troll has a brain.
your miss is that the 440,000,000 gallons is per day, and the 650 billion is per year.
That gives us 160 billion gallons per year, which would in theory be $2/gallon. That's a big number, except that it's a total lie. Taking the military cost and laying it off against the gasoline fraction of only us oil imports is bogus. The US imports are primarily from mexico and canada, so stabilizing the ME is not really about protecting "our" oil, it's about protecting world oil. Without which, I would point out, the world economy would have collapsed decades ago. Not only that, but far less than half of the US military budget is spent on middle eastern adventures. Roughly half the military budget is spent on benefits for RETIRED soldiers, the ME represents maybe 1/4.
I like reading the Oil Drum on lunch break, but I fear this is only going to get worse and worse until the election passes.
Ceterus paribus assumption taken too far: No accounting for increased demand from other parts of the world.