So my ninety-year-old neighbor is ADDICTED to her oil furnace?

She doesn't need it? Her need is the same as an alcoholic's need?

Most people are NOT addicted to alcohol or drugs. EVERYONE needs energy in some way.

I'll ignore your personal attack in your last statement.

So my ninety-year-old neighbor is ADDICTED to her oil furnace?

Your neighbor needs energy. Energy can come from many different sources. Just because we have made it such that oil is the cheap, easy option doesn't change the fact that it is an addiction.

OK. Suit yourself. You're a good writer and probably can get good mileage out of the addiction metaphor.

But I don't buy it.

An addiction is a biological dependence on a substance that could be completely eradicated from one's life, unlike energy, which must come in some form. One doesn't need a substance to replace the alcohol, the way one need vast quantities of SOMETHING to continue to run one's highway, heating, and food systems.

My poor neighbor literally can do nothing to "get off" her furnace. She's on meals on wheels!

You say "we" have made oil the cheap option, and that may be the key to seeing where the metaphor breaks down: addiction is about one individual's body. There is no "we" that has forced the alcoholic into his addiction.

My last word: alcoholism/addiction is to oil dependence as a flagellum is to planet Saturn.

Yes, food, energy, etc., they are all necessities. That makes the true framing of this problem even more dire and complex than is presented by the addiction metaphor.

So, I hear what you're saying, but you are making it sound like Robert is being intentionally obtuse in his usage of the terms.

Addiction may not be the most accurate frame in this case, but it is the easier frame to understand for many--and it is probably 60 or 70% valid.

Perhaps in an informed group like this, the addiction frame doesn't work. Or it may be better said that we are addicted to the "easy" nature of oil? or addicted to the lifestyle it currently provides?

Even in the cartoon up top, Uncle Sam represents a lot of different ideas. We can deconstruct what all of that means, but we can also get the simple message: there is a problem and it needs to be addressed by means other the providing more of what causes the disease.

So, I hear what you're saying, but you are making it sound like Robert is being intentionally obtuse in his usage of the terms.

Banish the thought!

I wish him luck navigating this troublesome trope (as it were).

Thought banished. :)

"Or it may be better said that we are addicted to the "easy" nature of oil? or addicted to the lifestyle it currently provides?"

That suggests there's something wrong with "easy", or a "lifestyle" of inexpensive, abundant material posessions.

I would agree that we need to bite the bullet and invest in our future by replacing oil with energy sources that are more sustainable; reduce our impact on the planet; and move beyond trying to achieve happiness solely through posessions, but I'm troubled by the implication that there's something morally wrong with abundant energy and prosperity per se.

An addiction is a biological dependence on a substance that could be completely eradicated from one's life, unlike energy, which must come in some form.

And there's the rub. Energy. We may need energy, but energy comes in many forms. I hope we change out an oil addiction some day for a more desirable addiction to solar power.

Think of this in terms of food. A person can be addicted to sugar. This isn't changed by the fact that they require food for survival. Just as all food is not sugar, all energy is not oil.

And thats what virtually everyone needs to develop...FLEXIBILITY. One is "addicted" when the only way to heat the home is an obselete oil furnace. Or the way over-powered petrol/diesel swilling vehicle. Or living in a exurb/suburb way away from your job/public trans.

My current fav gripe is the lack(in this market) of high-quality ULSDiesel. Ya cant have small, clean-running diesel engines without it. Without jumping thru a bunch of hoops. Many vehicles could easily be getting 30% better mileage.

And certainly most alternatives need to be pursued with gusto.

My current fav gripe is the lack(in this market) of high-quality ULSDiesel.

Just like the smack addict bemoaning the adulterated cut rubbish that is pushed instead of the nice clean pure heroin...I've got it! We should invade the heroin supplying countries and get holdof their really good stuff. Now who supplies heroin again...?

"An addiction is a biological dependence on a substance that could be completely eradicated from one's life (OIL), unlike energy, which must come in some form (electricity)"

"My poor neighbor literally can do nothing to "get off" her furnace"

So buy her an electric heater. Or a good sleeping bag.
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TIA.

addiction metaphor. But I don't buy it.

Addiction would normally imply an unhealthy relationship.

I doubt any regular reader of TOD would claim the human - oil relationship is 'healthy'.

No, your ninety year old neighbor is not addicted to her oil (furnace).

Maybe here is where the difference lies between our two points of view. When I see oil addiction, I am not referring to an individual, but to an economic system. You are carrying the metaphor down to the individual (perhaps because you have accepted the validity of the economic system?)

Please be careful not to conflate oil and energy. It is true that most people are not addicted to alcohol or drugs. But that tells us little about the addict. The non-addict uses alcohol to relax, as a social lubricant, or perhaps just to work against heart disease. Addicts define themselves in relationship to alcohol.

As for the "personal attack" - it was not meant as such. It was meant to point out that you were using the same sort of "excusing" language that an addict uses to justify their use to themself. I learned this the hard way. I did not intend it as an insult.

The oil furnace is something I think about every winter. I don't live in the Northeast so I don't know that much about them. But I always wonder what it would take to covert those to electricity.

It is just embarassing to take heating oil from Hugo Chavez.

I would love to see wind turbines generating the electricity to heat those homes in the winter. Is that an insane fantasy?

I've been thinking about this a lot as well since we have oil heat and I can only expect that the cost of heating our house is going to become unaffordable in a few years or less. Without going into the full-on solar panels, I've been looking into solar air heating panels. It's considerably more affordable, but I need to find out if it will supply enough heat here in "sunny" Seattle.

Crunchy, speaking as a former Seattleite, I suspect you'll have better results with a ground loop heat pump than with the solar air heating modules. You might want to compare them before you buy.

Chris - thanks for the tip. I'll see what I can dig up. Ha ha ha.

BTW, I just finished reading your book, Profit from the Peak, and I totally loved it. I'll be letting my peeps know about it as many are looking for a book on Peak Oil that isn't all doomsday and conjecture. You guys did an awesome job - I can't say enough good things about it, but I'll stop here.

Thanks very much! I'm glad you found it informative. Good luck with your project.

Hi Not a Rock,

Provided you have sufficient panel capacity, it's a relatively simple matter of installing electric coils in the supply plenum. Dual fuel space heating is popular in Québec where discounted electricity is used when outside temperatures are above -12C or -15C (it varies by region); as temperatures fall and the Hydro-Québec network is more heavily taxed, an outside temperature sensor automatically flips the system back to oil. It's a smart approach -- the customer gets a great deal (at 4.33 cents per kWh, it's like buying oil at less than $1.50 per gallon) and the utility gets to drop load as colder temperatures ramp up demand. Furthermore, it discourages homeowners from replacing their existing oil heating systems with a 25 or 30 kW electric furnace which would only further add to peak demand during these extremely cold periods.

That said, if electricity is to be consumed for space heating purposes, it should be used to operate a heat pump where you can typically double or triple the amount of heat supplied from every kWh consumed.

Cheers,
Paul

I think heat pumps only give you better efficiency above freezing....to get double or triple the heat as you would get from resistive means 40-50oF. At -15C you would probably do better with resistive, or if possible an advantageous set of circumstances for a ground loop.

If anyone knows more, I would really like to learn.

-dr

Hi dr_dr,

Actually, their performance is better than what you may think. I live in Zone 4 (7,800 HDD) and in this climate the HSPF rating of the Fujitsu 9RLQ and larger 12RLQ are 11.0 and 10.55 respectively. Both models operate down to -15C (i.e., Hydro-Québec’s transfer point) and over the course of the winter would provide an average of 3.1+ kWh of heat for every kWh consumed.

A couple days ago, I made reference to Mitsubishi's new h2i line of Mr. Slim ductless heat pumps. These models supply 100 per cent of their rated heating capacity at -15C, 87 per cent at -20C and 75 per cent at -25C and can operate for more than four hours at these sub-freezing temperatures before executing a defrost cycle. The discharge air temperature at -25C is +38C. Their HSPF is 9.4, so the seasonal COP is 2.76 -- for a Hydro-Québec customer under the dual-energy rate structure, the operating costs of this particular heat pump are the equivalent of fuel oil priced at 13.8 cents a litre or 52 cents per gallon (82% AFUE).

I developed a spreadsheet model based on ten-years' worth of hourly temperature data to verify the theoretical performance of the Fujitsu 12RLQ and 15RLQ. My home is a 40-year old, 2,500 sq. ft. Cape Cod that has been extensively upgraded in terms of its thermal efficiency and I estimate my current space heating demand at 12,277 kWh per year (1,400 litres/370 U.S. gallons of fuel oil at 82% AFUE). If my numbers are correct, a 12RLQ can easily supply 80 per cent of my total annual needs and the seasonal COP in this case is an estimated 3.32.

The spreadsheet is over 58,000 rows in size, but you can view the summary data (and assumptions) in PDF format here: http://www.datafilehost.com/download-a8dfaf4c.html

Cheers,
Paul

Think of your ninety-year-old neighbor as one of those brain cells with all the opioid receptors on it. Without the drugs, that brain cell will die. But at the organism level, it is an addiction. Think of "civilization", or "democracy" or "the free world" or whatever as the organism, and you have analogy.

Like all analogies, perhaps it is not perfect ;)