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Nice post, looking at the price curve we can notice the high volatility after the peak, that should tell us something about current oil price fluctuations
I greatly doubt that oil production will suddenly plunge as Caspian Sturgeon did because oil from unconventional resources (e.g. tar sands) and possibly reserve growth will soften the decline.
The work of Guseo is interesting and it's based on the Generalized Bass Model (GBM), mainly used in Marketing (see http://graphoilogy.blogspot.com/2006/01/stochastic-bass-model.html for an introduction). A special case of the GBM is the logistic function. Unfortunately, designing the prior shock function is very tricky and the parameter estimation is unstable (11-15 parameters!).
But thats not oil. Thats like saying caviar availability didn't go down that much because we can still buy lumpfish and whitefish caviar which isn't as good as the black caviar from caspian sturgeon...Quality was important in caviar and will be in oil.
As far as I know, syncrude quality is that same as light sweet crude oil so it's a perfect substitute from a consumer standpoint.
you're right - it's not a perfect analogy - other than syncrude has 2-3:1 energy return and requires lots of water and natural gas (or other heating source). so a better analogy would have been if russian authorities spent extra resources and underwent environmental cost to keep sturgeon populations static in Caspian sea.
I think Nate was talking more about the flow rate of finished product not its use in substitution. In general all the substitutes for light sweet crude suffer from being unable to match the sheer production volume obtainable from light sweet. Ethanol and compressed NG are also other substitutes that are not perfect but can replace oil in certain transportation uses.
Whats interesting is that for sturgeon the availability of substitutes did not seem to help.
Given the flow rate of potential substitutes for oil perfect or not I suspect they will have no material impact on the price and thus cannot lessen the pressure on oil extraction.
Only substitution on a scale that can relieve pricing pressure seems to be capable of slowing the decline rate.
Ever eat Lumpfish eggs?
Of course, syncrude production has a low flow rate and has a low EROI but it does not change the fact that it's still oil that will be available for decades and will slow down the amplitude of a decline in conventional oil sources. I'm not an ecologist, but I'm pretty sure that there is something else behind this sudden drop in Caspian Surgeon production probably due to non existing fishing quotas and limit on catch size therefore destroying the capability of the Caspian sturgeon population to regenerate itself.
Well, that's the point that Nate made, quality matters, there are no real substitutes for Caspian sturgeon because the quality is not the same. It's a little bit the same debate about artificial and natural diamonds, are they the same for consumers or not?
Another issue, is that the extraction rate for sturgeon is not bounded by technology but more by capital investment (invest in more fishing boats and you will get more sturgeon) where as for oil, more drilling won't necessarily give you more oil.
I was saying that even a perfect substitute that does not have to volume to moderate prices probably has no more effect then partial substitution on the extraction or exploitation pressure of the original resource.
For oil all I'm saying is that as long as prices remain high we will extract at the highest rate we can. Certainly above ground factors influence how close we get to the maximum rate but the pressure if you will is not relieved on the desire for the original resource. Only substitutes perfect or not that can replace a substantial amount of the original resource are capable of moderating prices and thus extraction pressure.
With out this substitutes only serve to keep demand stronger for longer as they delay the move to simply stop using a resource either the original or a substitute. So in my opinion only a fundamental change away from a resource or a valid significant substitution can really change the exploitation pressure on a resource.
As far as drilling more wells well that increases the depletion rate just like sending out more boats increase the depletion rate. You don't get more oil drilling more wells but your certainly extracting it faster. In the case of sturgeon this resulted in collapse. I've been saying for some time that the potential for the same sort of collapse exists for oil extraction.
The sturgeon example shows it possible. So the question should not be if its possible or not but does oil extraction fit the sturgeon example. Whats fascinating is that the dynamics of this sort of collapse.
I googled to see if anyone had numbers on the number of boats actually fishing for sturgeon but this is probably hard to get since a lot of the fishing is illegal. My best guess is that after fishing pressure reached a certain level the actual number of boats out fishing did not change all that much and the stocks collapsed under a constant but unsustainable fishing pressure.
For oil the thesis is we have gotten efficient at extracting the resource we are not extracting far faster then we can bring new fields online and in most regions we effectively have no more reserves to extract.
The decline in production is now tied to the depletion rate as fields cannot be replaced.
Back to sturgeons I suspect what happened is the fishing fleet grew large enough to take 10% of the initial sturgeon population a year. This was way beyond replacement rate and in 10 years no more sturgeon.
For oil the focus in on smaller fields with lifetimes of 5-20 years. We hit the maximum rate we could exploit these say back around 1990 or so we depleted the number of small fields undeveloped at say a rate of 10% a year and given the lifetimes of the fields about 10-20 years later having run out of "stock" production collapses.
Oil is certainly different in the sense we have the large fields which hopefully will exhibit slower decline rates but in my opinion the way we have exploited our smaller oil fields is quite close to the sturgeon problem and should result in the same decline curve. Over the next 10 years or so this will probably have a bigger impact on overall oil production then the slowly declining large fields.
Feel free to look around the number of smaller fields approaching the end of their useful life is astounding and in general these fields undergo steep declines once they reach maturity. Every region I've looked at has most of its smaller fields either already in decline or rapidly approaching decline. This fits well with the sturgeon model of efficient constant exploitation with effectively no replacement until you simply had nothing left.
Sturgeon farming. Given the right milieu, nutrients, etc. (what do I know...), some ex. from google:
http://home.planet.nl/~herwa073/aquacrops/sturgeon/sturgeon.html
http://www.sturgeonaquafarms.com/
http://www.ecologycenter.org/terrain/article.php?id=13416
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4946058.stm
Fish farming, or aquaculture, is set to take over in % of consumption, the wild beasts, just as happened in agriculture. Ex:
http://pubs.acs.org/subscribe/journals/esthag-w/2003/oct/tech/kb_fishfar...
and: FAO: “For a quarter century, fish farming has been the world's fastest growing food production sector, sustaining an annual growth rate of 8.8% since 1970. By way of comparison, livestock production, also considered a growth sector, increased at a rate of just 2.8% a year during the same period.
Today, some 45% of all fish consumed by humans -- 48 millions tonnes in all -- is raised on farms.” (that number should probably be 50%. Just me.)
http://www.fao.org/newsroom/en/news/2007/1000701/index.html
You can’t grow oil tru these biological processes.