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Achtung bitte.
The Greenshirts have arrived.
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=696311
Some activists and marketers see the site as a clever marketing gimmick to teach children to preserve their planet. Others see excessive indoctrination tactics lifted from the pages of the George Orwell novel, 1984, in which children are set against their parents, or worse, the Hitler Youth, who were encouraged to betray their loved ones for the greater glory of the state.
Last Tuesday, a satirical article on the British Web site Anorak referred to these cadets as "Greenshirts" and compared them to the young Blackshirts of yore. "NPower, the electricity people, want you, the Britisher Jungvolk, to inform on your mums and your dads if they disobey the rules on climate change."
http://www.anorak.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/climate-cops-green-shirts.png
Achtung! Herr MUDLOGGER Report immediately to the
re-education center for re-indoctrination.
Danke Herr Mudlogger....Haben Sie einen schönen Tag
Lol
Reductio ad Hitlerum
I don't know, I think anybody with a moustache truly is evil.
Hey, as long as there's a Nazi card somewhere in the deck, you cant expect it not to be played. The problem today is that half the deck is stacked with Nazi cards. The chance of one being played is pretty good. But I guess its ok as long as it incrementally creeps in until one day you browse over to your favorite website and it isnt there no more...
This is already happening. The web is potentially just months away from being shut down. Shut down for seekers of alternative media, ie something other than corporate fascist propaganda.
The problem today is that half the deck is stacked with Nazi cards.
{gets tounge and cheek notice out}
But, but look at all the good!
The tables on how long someone can last in freezing waters, various medical procedures (that ethicists have debated), the freeway!, and the economic model of government supporting large corporations.
Of course the deck has lottsa Nazi cards.
(and now I get to post again about the Libertarian National Socialist Green Party http://www.nazi.org/ )
Get things in perspective.
The reports I have seen say the camp has about 400 protesters. An anti-war march I attended in London in 2003 had 1-2,000,000
protesters. This bunch will be overwhelmingly outnumbered by police, who are systematically raiding their camp, and will not let them anywhere near any real energy infrastructure.
The poor misguided fools are being set up as a new media bette-noir so that nasty polluting (and I don't mean just CO2) coal power can be expanded as fast as possible in the face of imminent natural gas shortages in the UK.
One hallmark of the "consumer society" is that children are enlisted in a conflict with their parents. How else would you get them to buy all that junk?
Profit occurs to a third party when a wedge can be driven between natural allies. "Defense" corporations supply both "sides."
I don't believe this is particularly sinister, but it is clear that the marketing meme has infected everything and in my opinion, our culture is toast.
How is this not particularly sinister?
Why I think it sinister and worth a mention. (aside from the usual po-faced green stuff): State – Creep from all angles :
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-485336/Schools-warn-Gore-climate...
Al Gore's film An Inconvenient Truth has been called unfit for schools because it is politically biased and contains serious scientific inaccuracies and 'sentimental mush'.
Schools will have to issue a warning before they show pupils Al Gore's controversial film about global warming, a judge indicated yesterday.
The move follows a High Court action by a father who accused the Government of 'brainwashing' children with propaganda by showing it in the classroom.
Stewart Dimmock said the former U.S. Vice-President's documentary, An Inconvenient Truth, is unfit for schools because it is politically biased and contains serious scientific inaccuracies and 'sentimental mush'.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/mick_hume/article420...
No, I won't have children telling me what to eat
Our offspring are becoming the footsoldiers of the re-education crusade
Mick Hume
Once upon a time, not so long ago, parents were supposed to educate children in the ways of the world. But the Government appears to have turned that arrangement on its head. Now it is deemed the job of children to teach parents right from wrong.
Our children are apparently being educated as self-righteous foot soldiers in a crusade to re-educate us in the official doctrine of “Healthy Living, Whether You Like It Or Not”. The innate tendency towards sanctimoniousness and zealotry among youngsters who see things in fairytale black-and-white terms (“five veg a day good, one fag a day bad”) makes them natural narks.
Amid all the talk of liberties and fears of an “Orwellian” state, these trends rarely get a mention. Yet there is a long history of authoritarian regimes using children to do their dirty work. The official “child heroes” of George Orwell's 1984 were members of jolly groups such as The Spies,
>>It was almost normal for people over thirty to be frightened of their own children. And with good reason, for hardly a week passed in which the Times did not carry a paragraph describing how some eavesdropping little sneak — ‘child hero’ was the phrase generally used — had overheard some compromising remark and denounced its parents to the Thought Police.<<
- George Orwell, 1984
Thanks for putting that in black-and-white terms for me, i totally get it now!
I only mean the "green kids" thing is not particularly sinister. They seem to be playing games aimed at decreasing energy consumption, and there isn't (so far) any consequence for turning in uncooperative adults.
Turning mum and dad in? That comes next....
No, my point is that here in the UK school children are been propagandised in institutions that should teach knowledge and critical thought.
Propagandised learning is increasingly the case.
Things have changed and not always for the best. Now kids get Gores video with drowning Polar bears (awwww!)
Where once we were required to understand dry and saturated adiabatic lapse rates
ROFLMAO
Public schools are the marketing department for society the way it currently is. Ivan Illich in Deschooling Society.
http://www.amazon.com/Deschooling-Society-Open-Forum-Illich/dp/0714508799
Ivan Illich is dead, and things have gotten a lot worse since then.
Why are kids so fat? Ask who runs the lunchrooms now, and what happened to the drinking fountains.
MUDLOGGER,
A little paranoia is helpful...it seems as though you have gone a ways past "a little".
And as to:
Are you suggesting that propagandized education is new, or exclusively a fault of the Left and the Enviros? It seem to me that public education always includes indoctrination. That is why states require it. For that matter, private and parochial education likewise include indoctrination.
It has been my observation that publicly funded education, in the US at least, is more about teaching obedience than about educating children.
No, I am not. The Right, and esp the Religious right are just as guilty of propaganda in the public school system.
In short, schools should be kept away from both sides.
But then I suppose kids would make up there own minds...
Both right and left worked out years ago that an ignorant and fearful populace is easier to control than a confident and educated populace.
Hence the dumbing down.
That's kind of a stupid attitude.
Lets apply the same standard to past debates.
Should we present both sides of the slavery debate to children and let them decide for them selves?
No, of course not. Schools are there to teach children. And we generally try to refrain from teaching stupid crap, like slavery or flat earth or what not.
Or anything else YOU decide is "stupid crap" right?
Slavery was not debated when I was in school, but it was debated whether or not slavery was the only or principle cause for the Civil War. We all went in with the idea that it was, I even chose this side because I KNEW I was on the winning side. After much research and debate I found that I was wrong. That was in 7th grade for me.
My son was in 11th grade last year. He NEVER heard there was any other reason for the civil war. I wouldn't care if he came to that conclusion himself, but I am disgraced that our country no longer teaches the kids to think for themselves. They are taught the answers to a test they will take at the end of the week, semester, year, or whatever and that is IT. Don't think just write down the answer we told you on Tuesday when you take the test on Friday and you will pass.
PS After all that research, reading, seeing the war from the south's side etc. I still wasn't lead to believe slavery was right. Should North Carolina have been allowed to secede from the union? I guess not, because as the US has shown ever since, might makes right.
"We report. You decide."
Good point, it is very interesting to watch the reaction of these teenagers in response to an explanation about evolution, in their science class given by Richard Dawkins. If this is not an example of the product of intense brainwashing then I do not know what is.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4471435322910215458
watch the temps for this upcoming sept. with all the airlines cutting back on routes this month expect temps to rise as the particulate pollution those flights created go away.
Actually, doesn't matter much about that, at least in the Arctic, because it's gonna keep melting anyway. A few months ago there was a poster here claiming we were all saved because the ice was no longer melting. This was a foolish claim, of course. At the time, the NSIDC had warned about a possible bigger melt than even last year because of a steep decline in the spring.
A couple weeks ago they reduced their alarm due to the melt rate easing off due to cooler weather than last year and a lack of the wind patterns that pushed so much ice out into the Atlantic. I took a look at the pics on their site. Conveniently enough, they had started posting daily pics. I've been saving them and tracking the, putting them into a Power Point archive so I can animate the series. What I noticed in the trend chart was that if you took the trend and allowed for it keeping steady, you would still end up at the same level of melt as last year. What had happened last year was a very big acceleration of the melt followed by a still fast leveling off then with a real flattening, essentially an upswing at about the third week of August. You end up with a trough that reflects unusual weather, but a steady tend line gets you to the same place.
To repeat, when you draw a line for the trend earlier in the spring, you end up at almost the same level of melt as last year. BUT, when you draw a line for the trend from mid-June to the beginning of August, you end up below last year's line. Worse, when you draw a line for the most recent dropping trend of the last week, it goes well below last year.
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_timeseries.png
Northern Hemisphere sea ice, daily trends in extent
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_daily_concentra...
Northern Hemisphere sea ice, daily concentration
You can go here
http://nsidc.org/cgi-bin/bist/bist.pl?config=seaice_index
to compare images from different times.
NOTE: These images are daily, not static, so will change day to day.
I said those months ago the melt would be very near to last year's, not more than 1 m sq miles higher, (Significant, but not amazing like last year, and well below the long-term baseline.) and very possibly the same or less than last year. This was based on the huge loss of multi-year ice last summer and the concentrations observed during the current season. They have been very, very low. Go look at current concentrations, then use the compare images function to look at the differences in blue and white in the images. The core ice that survived in 05 and 07 was almost all white (thickly packed and thick multi-year ice), but the current images show very, very little white and an awful lot of blue (thinly packed and thin ice). When the NSIDC said things would be very unlikely to meet last year's levels, I had my doubts due to all the blue.
We shall see. Current trends would indicate a new record. If it's a short-term trend followed by cooler conditions, then they will be right and we won't hit a new record. But I think this first week of August drops the likelihood of the record standing from last year. Call it 50/50 right now.
Cheers
i was not talking about the artic, i was talking about in the continental us.
thinking something similar to the rise that happened durring the grounding after 9-11 but not as high but lasting much longer.