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NeverLNG on August 6, 2008 - 2:28pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

I only mean the "green kids" thing is not particularly sinister. They seem to be playing games aimed at decreasing energy consumption, and there isn't (so far) any consequence for turning in uncooperative adults.

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MUDLOGGER on August 6, 2008 - 3:00pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Turning mum and dad in? That comes next....

No, my point is that here in the UK school children are been propagandised in institutions that should teach knowledge and critical thought.

Propagandised learning is increasingly the case.

Things have changed and not always for the best. Now kids get Gores video with drowning Polar bears (awwww!)

Where once we were required to understand dry and saturated adiabatic lapse rates

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shaman on August 6, 2008 - 3:25pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

No, my point is that here in the UK school children are been propagandised in institutions that should teach knowledge and critical thought.

ROFLMAO

Public schools are the marketing department for society the way it currently is. Ivan Illich in Deschooling Society.

http://www.amazon.com/Deschooling-Society-Open-Forum-Illich/dp/0714508799

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NeverLNG on August 6, 2008 - 4:17pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Ivan Illich is dead, and things have gotten a lot worse since then.

Why are kids so fat? Ask who runs the lunchrooms now, and what happened to the drinking fountains.

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Bryant on August 6, 2008 - 7:31pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

MUDLOGGER,

A little paranoia is helpful...it seems as though you have gone a ways past "a little".

And as to:

Propagandised learning is increasingly the case.

Are you suggesting that propagandized education is new, or exclusively a fault of the Left and the Enviros? It seem to me that public education always includes indoctrination. That is why states require it. For that matter, private and parochial education likewise include indoctrination.

It has been my observation that publicly funded education, in the US at least, is more about teaching obedience than about educating children.

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MUDLOGGER on August 7, 2008 - 6:39am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

No, I am not. The Right, and esp the Religious right are just as guilty of propaganda in the public school system.

In short, schools should be kept away from both sides.

But then I suppose kids would make up there own minds...

Both right and left worked out years ago that an ignorant and fearful populace is easier to control than a confident and educated populace.

Hence the dumbing down.

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Rethin on August 7, 2008 - 7:55am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

That's kind of a stupid attitude.

Lets apply the same standard to past debates.

Should we present both sides of the slavery debate to children and let them decide for them selves?

No, of course not. Schools are there to teach children. And we generally try to refrain from teaching stupid crap, like slavery or flat earth or what not.

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ceiii2000 on August 7, 2008 - 8:47am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Or anything else YOU decide is "stupid crap" right?

Slavery was not debated when I was in school, but it was debated whether or not slavery was the only or principle cause for the Civil War. We all went in with the idea that it was, I even chose this side because I KNEW I was on the winning side. After much research and debate I found that I was wrong. That was in 7th grade for me.

My son was in 11th grade last year. He NEVER heard there was any other reason for the civil war. I wouldn't care if he came to that conclusion himself, but I am disgraced that our country no longer teaches the kids to think for themselves. They are taught the answers to a test they will take at the end of the week, semester, year, or whatever and that is IT. Don't think just write down the answer we told you on Tuesday when you take the test on Friday and you will pass.

PS After all that research, reading, seeing the war from the south's side etc. I still wasn't lead to believe slavery was right. Should North Carolina have been allowed to secede from the union? I guess not, because as the US has shown ever since, might makes right.

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Ben on August 7, 2008 - 9:56am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

"We report. You decide."

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FMagyar on August 7, 2008 - 7:00am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

It seem to me that public education always includes indoctrination. That is why states require it. For that matter, private and parochial education likewise include indoctrination.

Good point, it is very interesting to watch the reaction of these teenagers in response to an explanation about evolution, in their science class given by Richard Dawkins. If this is not an example of the product of intense brainwashing then I do not know what is.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4471435322910215458

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