The Oil Depletion Protocol is another way to achieve this which deals specifically with oil independentley of other fossil fuels.

Contraction and Convergence to achieve carbon reduction goals sounds like a nice idea, where the poor are lifted from their misery and the rich just have to give up a little bit of there energy which should be seamlessly replaced by efficiency technology and new clean green alternatives.

The reality is that even in so called rich countries there is a stratification of incomes which range from extremely wealthy to dirt poor and it will inevitably be the richest of the rich who end up with more energy than the poorest of the rich. It will be a hard sell politically to ask people who percieve themselves to be struggling already, to give up even more energy, for no real gain, to poor people on the other side of the world who haven't "earned" it, particularly from the energy rich countries.

I would be very surprised if any country would ever agree to having mandatory reductions imposed on them and then being obligated to export excess nergy to poor countries for the privelege. More likely that energy rich nations would agree to limit the total emissions (contraction) and husband the remaining fossil fuels for their own benefit in the future.

The idea that you can pay the poor for something they never possesed is ludicrous and will never get up

Whether or not nations will ever agree to mandatory reductions, your last sentence ignores the importance of the concept of negative externalities on the emission of CO2 gases. By definition, a negative externality occurs when two parties engaged in an exchange produce an undesired effect on a third party. In this case, fossil fuel producing and consuming parties are getting wealthy from the use of fossil fuels, with their consequent release of CO2. The CO2 is our negative externality, as it results in climate change that is disproportionately experienced by the poorest people in the poorest nations of the world. The Wikipedia article on negative externalities recognizes four means of addressing them, which I partially quote:

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* Criminalization: As with many types of environmental and public health laws.
* Civil Tort law: Class action [by the third party], various product liability suits.
* Government provision: As with lighthouses, education, and national defense.
* Pigovian taxes or subsidies intended to redress economic injustices or imbalances.

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Seen in this light, a cap-and-trade system seems to be a combination of the first and last: Criminalization and Pigovian taxes. Essentially, cap-and-trade is a combination of two processes: (1) creating and enforcing a legal limit to total production of CO2 - that is then distributed equitably on a per-capita basis - in order to keep aggregate releases below a level that would result in dangerous and potentially destabilizing changes to global climate (which is essentially a public good, non-rivalrous and non-excludable); and (2) "taxing" those who release more than their per-capita share of CO2 while redistributing this wealth to (i.e. subsidizing) those who consume less than their per-capita share and who, not coincidentally, are also currently the most common members of the third party sufferers.

No I didn't ignore it, I just pointed out the reality that Robin Hood politics is not something that people in rich western nations will ever vote for. I know I wouldn't be too keen to see my children suffer limitations and then paying people like Robert Mugabe for the privelege.

Unles you are proposing world government, I don't see how you can "enforce" a worldwide legal limit. It nmay all seem very logical and straightforward but executing such a plan is, I believe next to impossible. It's why we get things like the Kyoto protocol, warm fuzzy motherhood statements that lead to no action by anyone.

Tariffs are away to tax foreigners. A carbon tariff equal to or greater than the domestic carbon tax means China can't dump cheap goods on consuming countries. It is part of my contrarian nature to put limits on free trade in order to benefit importing nations like the US. The American middle class grew in an environment of protective tariffs and has shrunk as the tariffs were removed. Somehow the elite forgot that without producers making good wages they would eventually consume less of whatever is imported.

Cap and trade is merely another chip in the financial jugglers casino, dreamed up by bureaucrats, honed by lawyers, loved by poiticians, and the next festering sore down the road on Wail Street as the pension funds suck them up.