Same old kdolliso, same old ethanol propaganda. Your ethanol lies have been repeatedly refuted yet you continue to spew it as if doing so will make them "true". You come in here and attack Stuart's massive work with a few lines of trash commentary, zero data, and refuted "facts".

Many of us are tired of your propaganda, kdolliso. Also, you may want to reconsider what you are doing, because if this turns into a massive human tragedy, you may be one of the many who will be held at fault.

By the way, the "plunge" in grain prices is a correction from recent highs. Current prices are still vastly higher than previously, which even you note. Do you enjoy contradicting yourself repeatedly?

Instead of slinging ad hominems, why not just point out where I'm wrong?

I'll check back a little later.

Point out again? Why bother? Robert Rapier and many others have debunked you again and again and again. Yet you show up in the next ethanol related thread claiming the same old tired horse manure and then demand that it be debunked AGAIN.

There's zero need for anyone here to continue debunking you yet again. All they need to know is that you've been debunked so many times in the past that this is becoming tiresome.

Cain't remember, huh?

Well, maybe someone a little more knowledgeable will show up to tell me where I'm wrong. Meantime, you really shouldn't call someone a liar, unless you can Prove it.

The USDA forecast is for a lower corn harvest this year than last. Last year there was a record corn harvest at the expense of planting fewer soybean acres. By taking soybean acreage out of production and putting corn into production one did not solve the problem of higher food prices, and increased malnutrition of the poor. The nation is nowhere near satisfying Federal ethanol mandates and more corn is needed.

Not only does the United States have aspirations to make more ethanol in the future, Canada has a mandatory ethanol law that may require much more corn consumption for ethanol production by 2010. There were EU directives resulting in both ethanol and biodiesel production. There are U.S. state laws requiring biofuels production including mandatory biodiesel production. Soybeans were consumed in order to make biodiesel. There are additional biofuels programs in India, China, Brazil, to name a few. One of Stuart's charts shows the escalation in ethanol capacity bieng built. This year may not be like last year. Already there have been losses in ethanol production facilities at a time when the nation needs corporate profits and the jobs created by such.

A United Nations report blamed biofuels production for most of the rise in food prices since 2000. When George Bush claimed cellulosic ethanol to be the way to energy independence, the cost of cellulosic ethanol was as high as no company or individual could produce cellosic ethanol without losing money. Cellulosic ethanol is a very expensive and inefficient energy loop that has not been proven economically viable in any nation on earth and if carryed out may lead to record high fuel prices and voter dissatisfaction over government waste and inefficiency.