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Russia's First move legitimate: US envoy
"The US embassador to Moscow, in a rare US comment endorsing Russia's initial moves in Georgia, described the kremlins's first military response as legitimate"
www.theglobeandmail.com
Sanity in the Whitehouse?
No, this has become the official line -- that Russia's initial response to Georgia's actions was predictable but that subsequent actions were disproportionate.
They were just following the U.S. military doctrine. Compared to our military doctrine of shock and awe, Russia's actions were arguably relatively proportionate. Message to Georgia: Don't even think about messing with Russia in the future. Besides, your supposed allies will abandon you in a heartbeat.
Anyway, in the tradition of 1984, Russia is the new, old enemy as the global war on terrorism has become somewhat tiresome and amorphous as a way to rouse the public.
You got that right. Perpetual war is the name of the game right now. If it is not terrorism then go back to what worked in the past. It is the best way to keep the US distracted and the populace will to give up more of its freedom. Seems to me like the US is trying for a replay of the early 80's. Cold war all over again. The problem this time around for the US is Russia now has the upper hand.
We have always been at war with Oceania, pardon me, Russia.
It appears Orwell was a optimist.
As a side note, the Orwell estate is suing BushCo for plagiarism.
I wonder where was the "proportionate" element in the NATO's offensives on Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon... Did these countries do to us what we did to them? Errm, nope as far as I can see...
IMO the policy of double standards some day will play a very bad trick to the self-contentious West. People in these countries are getting tired of all of the propaganda and intimidation their countries are subjected to. They won't forget it.
LevinK, IMO, the US is already paying the price for maintaining such double standards in our international relations. Double standards are nothing new here -- the US has been kicking its poorer American neighbors around for much of its history. What is new is that America is now perceived as being weakened militarily and economically. Simultaneously, other nations have begun to find their footing and are in no mood to put up with our continuing hypocrisy.
What is absolutely essential is that the US begins to see itself a nation among nations instead of "the world's only superpower." I'm convinced that were this to happen, we would actually find that our security was enhanced. However, I'm equally sure that we will never convince the reactionary populace to elect a president that is willing to take this approach to foreign policy.
What Nato offensive on Lebanon are you talking about?
Israel's (de facto NATO member) illegal invasion and the subsequent stonewalling of any international condemnation by NATO members of the UNSC.
This entire idea that Russia's reaction to the Georgian attack on South Ossetia troubles me. How is a large country supposed to react when confronting a smaller one? Who decides what is proportionate? Surely a massive show of military strength would end the conflict quicker, showing that resistance was futile, thereby saving Russian and Georgian lives?
Military strategy and tactics have for thousands of years been based on disproportion, hitting the enemy hard with as much as you can get organized at their weakest spot.
Were the Russians supposed to fight fair, like in the playground? This line of argument is infantile.
During the first Gulf War the allies lost around 250 men in battle, the Iraqi losses are reported to have been around 250,000, was that proportionate or fair? Alone on the highway from Kuwait to Iraq around 50,000 Iraqis were "massacred" by American airpower, with I believe zero casualities. This I think puts the conflict in Georgian in some kind of perspective.
I feel the Georgian people are being casually used like pawns on giant chessboard, isn't this always the case? The major powers are in a phase when they are carving up the world between them and bumping into one another in their frantic search for "influence" and access to vital raw materials, namely oil and gas. It's like watching gangsters fighting over territory in Chicago in the 1920's. But I guess rival capitalist barons have always been like that.
Well said. IMO, no different than the 'Battle of Kruger' on Youtube. Maybe someday, when the Overshoot whittles its numbers much lower, people will finally make Malthus their Bible, then keep their global numbers so low that there will be plenty of resources to go around for everyone, but I am doubtful:
http://dieoff.com/page181.htm
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REQUIEM by Jay Hanson, 02/20/98
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What are the chances of yeast, upon being introduced into a bottle of grape juice, not turning it into wine ASAP?
The cost of a second or third child is around one hundred thousand dollars in the US. Make it two hundred thousand counting school and other social costs. The war in Iraq is killing many, many, American children. Far more Americans have died in Iraq than Iraqis.
This is not anecdotally true for the people on this board. We have more time than children, and so more money than we need to raise our nonexistant families. If you want to know the facts of the matter, ask your acquaintances (not friends in your socioeconomic set) such as the guy at the parking garage, the barista at your starbucks, the attendant at the gas station, etc, if they would have another child if they had the money.
The last time we had a baby boom the working class paid much lower official and unofficial tax rates.
"Far more Americans have died in Iraq than Iraqis."
You are out of your mind. What is your point, if any?
"Far more Americans have died in Iraq than Iraqis."
This is so insanely untrue, even in any skewed US official #'s, that I am going to be charitable and assume you made a typo somewhere in there.
Otherwise you are out of your flippin mind and living in a cave somewhere.
leaked memo from an anonymous source in Cheney's office
Subject: U.S. oil independence
Step 1: Issue American passports to residents of Fort McMurray
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit
My heart goes out to those freedom-loving Alberta-ians oppressed by the heartless, cruel Canadian regime. We need to bring democracy to their land! We need to establish a shining outpost of freedom in the heart of North America! I can see it now: OAF - Operation Alberta Freedom!
Jeez...don't give them any ideas.
"My heart goes out to those freedom-loving Alberta-ians [sic] oppressed by the heartless, cruel Canadian regime. We need to bring democracy to their land!"
True fact about Alberta: we have always been a one-party province, as ever since Alberta entered Confederation in 1905, there has always only been one dominant party in charge. First the Liberals, then the United Farmers of Alberta, from 1935 to 1971 it was the Social Credit party, and since 1971 the Progessive Conservative party has had strong majorities. The Socreds were the World War 2 era generation, and the Tories are the Boomer generation.