My understanding is that the very largest stone heads were still remaining in the quarries. If only they had gotten those heads in place - then everything would have been fine. Surely there are countless civilizations where those biggest stone heads were successfully installed in time; we just don't hear about them

cfm in Gray, ME

My head just exploded from your comment!?

Peak Head?

heaven forbid!

I don't like where this thread is heading.

Good article from September, 2006. An excerpt:

Cambridge Energy Research Associates predicts world oil and natural gas liquids capacity could increase as much as 25% by 2015 (wt: 106 mbpd, total liquids). Says Robert W. Esser, a director of CERA: "Peak Oil theory is garbage as far as we're concerned."

If we use ExxonMobil's upper end estimate of 6% per year from existing wells, we only need about 70 mbpd of new total liquids production in 2015, that we didn't have in 2005, to be producing 106 mbpd. No problemo, 'cause we are certainly enjoying the $38 oil prices that Yergin & CERA promised us we would have.

? I was thinking about the comment above.

My understanding is that the very largest stone heads were still remaining in the quarries. If only they had gotten those heads in place - then everything would have been fine.

and tried to be funny but now I get confused instead.

+2

Maybe ... maybe not:

Japan military may run out of gas money this year

I guarantee you right this second Pentagon planners are having waking nightmares about this. No military establishment in the history of the world is as energy- dependent as the US's. Our world- wide archipelago of bases requires resupply and personnel to be shipped by air. Our operational doctrine requires air superiority which means fuel- guzzling high performance aircraft both for combat duties as well as for force deployment, resupply, refueling, communications and air traffic control. The Navy, while smaller in total ship numbers than during the Reagan era, requires supertanker amounts of fuel, even the nuclear ships -carriers and submarines - require petroleum. Aircraft carriers are nothing more than floating tank farms for the dozens of fighter and reconnaisence aircraft they carry ... as well as to support their enormous crews in comfort.

Most of the legacy military equipment the US relies upon inhales fuel; the M1A series main battle tank 'gets' a green five gallons per mile; this vehicle needs 11 gallons of fuel to start the engine. During Desert Storm, the armor had to tow small trailers of fuel behind. The smallest and most economical vehicle in daily use by the military is the Hummer. The real one, not the smaller H2 civilian Hummer that green people 'whine' about.

Every part of the US military requires vast quantities of fuel.

- F/A 18 (combat fighter/bomber equiv. F16, F22, F15 JSF) 6,000 gallons for a combat mission radius of 500 miles.
- M1A2 Abrams main battle tank (equiv. Russian T80, both with turbine engines) 5 gal/ mile.
- Airlift command aircraft; C141, C17 have fuel consumption equiv. to comparable wide- bodied commercial aircraft.

Modern naval ships tend to much larger - and less economical to operate - than their equivalents from the WWII era. Of course, all the support, ammunition, lubricants, navigation and communication devices have to be manufactured, tested, shipped to the user and made use off and replaced ... all this requires petroleum. No navy or other service uses wind, coal, wood or any 'alternative' fuel for operations.

The biofuel experiment and the biofuel relationship to food has been attempted before. At the end of the Second World War, Germany distilled 'white gas' or ethanol from its potato crop. This amount of biofuel produced was insufficient to Germany's operational needs; Germany had numerous heavy tanks, tank destroyers and jet aircraft and more than adequate manpower ... but could not operate these items because of the lack of fuel. Because the potato crop had been diverted to fuel manufacture, the survivors in Germany in 1945-46 endured a serious famine that was only relieved by intensive efforts of the US and USSR.

The Air Force has been working on a program to develop a 'biofuel' for its aircraft:

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2007/02/us_air_force_pl.html

While this may address training issues and whatnot within this country, such fuels - as well as solar panels (the Pentagon itself has one) and fuel cells cannot support overseas operations.

Fuel constraints will become far more noticeable five years from now. This illuminates certain aspects of US policy, such as our stance in Iraq. It is becoming more clear that having a long- term military presence in Iraq is central to ensuring that fuel is available for 'vital functions' which would certainly include military operations. It is also certain that this insurance will be maintained ... either with or without the cooperation of a 'compliant' Iraqi government. This explains candidate Obama's recalibration of his proposal to withdraw from Iraq "Responsibly". This responsible withdrawal could take as long as a hundred years ... or as long as there is oil available in Iraq ... and Iran and Saudi Arabia.

Whether China has or has not 'contracts' with the Iraqi government is irrelevant. They don't have a military presence in the Middle East ... and can't. They don't have sufficient fuel.

The same fuel 'metric' is applicable to all major powers' military establishments both in China, India, Russia and NATO. The cumulative investment of trillions and trillions in military infrastructure is a wasting asset. In five years no military will have sufficient fuel available to function as they can currently. Some militaries may not be able to function at all; NATO, China, Pakistan, India; Russia will be fractionally effective and countries with fuel reserves; Brazil and Nigeria do not have military infrastructures.

Looke at this way, it appears better to turn this military investment to use now, when there is both fuel to use the materiel and some fuel availability as an outcome of military action.

Some things to watch:

- Russian interest in the central Asian republics that have oil reserves and were once part of the USSR.

- America will use a pretext to invade Venezuela.

- A ressonable likelihood that Al Qaeda is on the US payroll ... similar to the 'Awakening Groups' in Iraq. These are also labeled 'Al Qaede in Mesopotamia' by both the US government and the media when it is convenient to manipulate how issues arising in Iraq and elsewhere are presented to the public. It is noticable that the US does not attack Al Qaeda assets and that organization does not attach US/European targets. Osama's organization would be useful to turn against the Saudis. Keep in mind, 'insurgent activities' are used ss provocations for various US military activities. A successful Al Qaeda attack on the Saudi royal family would be a reason for US troops to 'reposition' themselves inside Saudi Arabia.

- Look for a dramatic increase of military activities between Pakistan and India both in and outside of Kashmir. Pakistan's fuel situation is even more dire than the Germans at the end of WWII. It's 'use it or lose it' in Kashmir.

- Look for an increase in Taliban activities in Iran! Iran is a closed society, but a large enough attack would be published in the Western press. The Taliban is an instrument of the (Sunni) Pakistani ISI intelligence service.

- Look for the Taliban to keep up the pressure in Afghanistan ... but not any 'go for broke' offensives. Time is on the Taliban's side. NATO is being pulled by events in Eastern Europe and will have to make choices .. all of them stupid choices but momentum is building for a Euro-Russian confrontation. The Taliban will wait for NATO to go home and then put more pressure on the Americans ... who will have to choose between supporting the effort in Afghanistan (no oil) and supporting the effort in Iraq (the rest of the oil).

- Look for NATO to lose its collective mind over Russia. NATO planners are looking at the gas guage while losing sleep over an imminent Russian invasion of eastern Germany! Reasonably, NATO will rather fight WWIII in Ukraine rather than in Poland so look for a fast track for Ukraine NATO membership ... exactly a useless move. Russia won't attack Europe. Europe is Russia's best customer.

- Look for Russian bellicosity to increase. Russia knows that 'threats' cause the price of oil to increase. They will make threats. Russia is looking at the gas guage, too. If they threat too hard, they could force a confrontation that makes the gas guage head to zero a lot faster than they would like ... and would at the same time unmask the threats as empty bluster.

We live in interesting times ...

Thanks for a very informative post.
Question: how much of the military could be supplied by coal to oil technology?
Obviously there could be no question of running the civilian car fleet by this means, but perhaps the far smaller needs of the military could be covered, to some extent at least?

Theoretically, most if not all ... practically, not very much.

The military has a difficult time commandeering resources for its own use, in a peace- time environment. In a 'national emergency' the domestic petroleum supply would be directed to the military but that would defeat the end purpose which is to both support military activities while at the same time supporting 'economic' activities such as building/supporting sprawl and 'happy motoring'.

I suppose the 'coal hydrogenation' process can be made to work. This has probably been discussed here on TOD. I doubt it would scale in time and is a super- dirty process. The Nazis also used this method to produce fuel, but the plants were susceptible to bombing and the output was small in relation to the amount of energy consumed by the plants themselves.

The total Energy Return on Investment will have to be re- calculated to take into consideration the costs of military actions to obtain or defend fuel supplies.

It takes little in the way of a policy miscalculation to skew the EROI into uncharted and unchartable dimensions. Consider a nuclear exchange between India and Pakistan that destroys all the major cities of both countries, kills 500 million people and reduces world-wide crop yields by fifty percent. How does one price this?

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Steve - are you Steve who used to work with Sparky/Massie from Verizon UK ?

It is very poor planning to try to switch the USAF to ethanol. South Africa was cut off from world oil supplies and found some relief in converting coal to oil, it is not cheap but it is more practical. The risk of needing corn imports to satisfy Federal biofuels mandates is high. The strategic value of the United States to the world might lessen if the United States will lose its ability to export grain. The pentagon lacked foresight during the euphoria of ethanol dreaming. The return on investment for ethanol is currently in the negative range. An unprofitable nation finds its inflation adjusted income declining.

The U.S. had a bully agressive attitude during the Bush years when Iraq was invaded based on false charges; with grossly underestimated war costs. The pro-Iraqi invasion governments of England, Spain, and Italy were voted out. The Republicans lost Congress. Rush Limbaugh needed a drug rehab program after fraudulently obtaining 2,000 pain killers in six months.

The Feds have borrowed the entire Social Security Fund surplus to fund deficit spending and now the boomers approach retirement age after the government has already spent what they was supposed to have been saved for their retirements. The Social Security fund is expected to reach a deficit crisis once they start to retire. They were not even giving T-bills in exchange for their social security payments.

The government ceased to recognize the Geneva convention guidelines while using waterboarding.

The government unilaterally violated a non-proliferation treaty with the Russians by placing missles near their border. That upset the Russians. Tensions have mounted. The loss of Russian oil imports or natural gas to the EU might be devastating. Some sort of deal to allow free trade should be put forward instead of economic sanctions.

OPEC might not be able to keep oil prices down. They appeared to be a self-serving organization. Some of the OPEC nations suffered under Islamic law and wished to impose this law on others by force. There are yet many scholars critical of Koran, its contradictions, and the differences between it and other world legal systems.

Steve,

I just wanted to take a moment and thank you for spending your valuable time writing this superb post!

Best,

w

- America will use a pretext to invade Venezuela

Hezbollah's presence in Venezuela draws concern
"...draws concern." I like that touch. Pure Judith Miller.
If McCain starts to surge in the polls I would suggest Hugo start filling and parking tankers.

Thanks, Steve,

This is interesting. Perhaps you could expand it and write an article?

A couple of questions:

1) It looks like you're outlining at least the case for (if not claiming a knowledge about) US military presence in Iraq (and elsewhere) is a result of a particular strategy on the part of the "Pentagon planners" that has an assumption of "peak oil" as its basis. So, the logic is to use the military apparatus while there exists the (possibility of) fuel to run it. (Yes?)

“…when there is both fuel to use the materiel and some fuel availability as an outcome of military action.”

So, one question is - do you believe that Pentagon planners share the "mega-projects study group" (combined with ELM) view of near-term peak? Do you believe they accept this analysis?

Do you feel that they see the total situation in a way that enables them to "get it" WRT the high degree of dependency, the economic correlations (i.e., necessity of LTF availability), etc.? In other words, do you also feel they see the implications for the global industrial economy?

Do you have the impression they see any implications outside the purview of their immediate planning objectives, in other words? If so, do you think they feel any obligation to either A) address the issue outside the responsibilities of their individual (career) positions, or B) to inform/warn/share this view with others?

Just thought I'd ask.

2) Anyway, my question is, below you also say...

“… the end purpose which is to both support military activities while at the same time supporting 'economic' activities such as building/supporting sprawl and 'happy motoring'.”

In other words, as you say:
“The total Energy Return on Investment will have to be re- calculated to take into consideration the costs of military actions to obtain or defend fuel supplies.”

Do you believe that anyone in any government anywhere actually does this?

In other words, do the Pentagon planners, for eg., look at the amount of oil required for military functions, the amount such functions (if "successful") would (so to speak) "yield", and then see if there's any "leftover" for the running of US society?

So, they actually take a look at this in some kind of qualitative and quantitative way?

So, that there's the possibility they might pick a number or percentage and say "Wups, well, our return just went negative...maybe we should pack up and go home." (Question mark?)

Because if this way of looking at the issue is even a remote possibility, then it seems the numbers, in terms of cost and, more importantly, debt incurred, would show a net negative yield prior to taking any military action. (Ignoring the factor of lives lost, etc.).

Or, do you suppose the thinking is to "secure" supply, in the sense of prevent interruption of supply, and there is really no cost/benefit analysis beyond this?

I guess I wonder how many people representing what sectors of government look at this and how they see it. In other words, I wonder what Cheney thinks about and who he talks to, likewise, how much overlap with anyone in the Pentagon (or anywhere else, for that matter).

Steve you are over emphasizing the issue. Sure american army uses most oil as compared to any army but how much, just one percent of total american consumption of oil. Thats too little to make america reduce any of its military operations or global presence. If not anything else the american domestic oil production is enough to sustain american military for a long long time.

NATO, China, Pakistan, India; Russia will be fractionally effective and countries with fuel reserves

I can tell about Pakistan. Being a muslim country Pakistan always get easy (low price and sometimes even free) oil from saudi arabia. Just yesterday saudi arabia agreed to deliver 110,000 barrels of oil to Pakistan which Pakistan can pay later, this will help a lot in present foreign exchange shortage of Pakistan.

Total oil consumption of Pakistan is just 350,000 barrels/day which is so small an amount that we will hopefully keep getting it for a long long time especially because (1)about 25% of this is produced domestically (2)there are some more untapped resources in sindh that can be extracted (3)we are close to the oil producing region (4) all of the oil exporters of middle east from saudi arabia to iran are our friends (5) we have huge deposits of natural gas (6) we have 20% of coal reserves of world. Since we have no military presence outside our borders and we are not in any major war at the moment (except a minor short scale war in tribal areas which is sponsored by america) therefore our military not consume high amount of energy.

Look for a dramatic increase of military activities between Pakistan and India both in and outside of Kashmir. Pakistan's fuel situation is even more dire than the Germans at the end of WWII. It's 'use it or lose it' in Kashmir.

Why? The kashmir conflict is there since 1948, what special happened now to expect 'dramatic increase in military activities' in kashmir?

Its only our oil situation that is problematic, other fuels like we use like natural gas etc are still there in large amount.

What do you mean by " 'use it or lose it' in kashmir"? What exactly is there to use that get wasted forever if we not use it now?

Could it be all those stone heads were simply "busy-work" which the elites foisted onto the working class, likely using religion.

If the elites distract the working class with useless effort and religion, then the energies of the working class would not be expended eliminating the elites.

Good one Hard hat.
Elites have a way of making people believe they belong to the higher class. People don't rebel against their 'own' class.
Elites use religion and civic ethics to make us believe what they want us to believe. They have blatantly taken control of the media, from top to bottom (journalists used to start as high school graduates, now they need a degree...).
They are telling us to be like them: we must pursue lust, gluttony, greed, envy, pride, wrath and sloth if we want to be happy. Sex, food, money, having more than your neighbor, war and leisure & 'labour-saving devices', are the things we need and want and are willing to pay good money for.
Spend some time watching ads and (recent)movies, if you didn't know this already. The elites are teaching us to be sinful: if everybody is sinful, they make more money.
There is paradox here: they want us to have religion, whereas an atheist git like me can clearly see the dearth of morals in the story(ies) they are telling us.
Being happy is not what you have, it is what you do.
Sorry for digressing.

Hi lukitas,

Interesting. I'd say this isn't a digression. It sounds like you and Alan from Big Easy are neighbors.

re: "Being happy is not what you have, it is what you do."

Hi Aniya
Thanks for commenting. I'm sorry I don't know Alan from Big Easy.
I'll google.
The point I would like to make is this: an altruistic attitude is rewarding : emotionally, socially, often materially. Humans have fun when they help each other.
However, most of the media tell us to be gluttons, while presupposing that we are all enthusiastically religious.
It has become the rule to party, feed, drink, work, drive, dress and leisure yourself to death, for as much as you can afford. If you've got it, flaunt it.
Of the seven virtues, only faith is required, hope has us by the short and curlies, whereas love, humanity, justice, prudence and temperance are discounted, and courage is under fire.
Strange that an unfaithful unbelieving atheist should be pointing this out.

It made me really happy to find someone had responded to my comment : thank you Aniya.

One small insight from my own experience. Giving to others enrichs life in dimensions that no other path can. But good food, good drink and good companionship can add to that.

There need not be a contradiction between the "pleasures of the flesh" and the pleasures of the spirit :-)

Best Hopes for a Life well lived,

Alan

Hi Alan,

re: "good companionship"

That's why we're here. :)

The food and drink not being available in our TOD cybergathering.

Nice to meet you Alan.
Apparently, we look at life from a similar angle.
It is good to hear from you.

lukitas