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For DaveMart
In the post 'Gore sets goal of 100% carbon-free electricity by 2020' back in July you asked about the cost of tidal power.
I asked Marine Current Turbines Limited http://www.marineturbines.com/ and received the following information from their Technical Director Peter Fraenkel:
For Strangford load fator is 48%
Trust this informs
Thanks for the info.
That sounds around the same as I expected, with a probable 20 year or so path to gaining the experience to carry out cost reductions.
Those are also levelised costs, and you can get pretty much any answer you want out of those depending on the assumptions you feed in, and with new technology they always put a lot of faith in mass production to reduce costs.
That is not to knock the idea, but it is not going to solve our problems anytime soon.
"6 to 8p would be our medium term cost project for the UK"
Assuming they can bring the cost down to this level I think that it is cheaper than current rates:-)
Does anybody know the equivalent current realistic rates for on-shore wind?
They are talking levelised costs, which are always dependent on assumptions,which are rarely made explicit.
For resources like wind and nuclear power, interest rates are critical as most of the costs are up-front.
I tend to prefer installation costs, as they are less dependent on the assumptions made, but you have to allow for the fact that that is a bit unkind to renewables, as for nuclear power you have to allow for the long build times, and some fuel and maintenance costs ( maintenance has to be added to wind costs, and that can be substantial, especially for off-shore) and for coal or gas the fuel costs are the main cost.
So to answer your question, for on-shore wind the last survey which was done gave a cost of around £1million/MW of installed capacity, which does not include all connection costs or back up.
Since then material costs have risen substantially, and since most of the goods are imported the fall of sterling will have impacted costs.
This does not take account of wind's intermittency, so for on-shore you have around 22-28% of the installed capacity in actual output.
This effectively means that wind costs around £3 million/MW plus connection and backup at least to give a comparative figure to nuclear installed cost.
Off-shore is a disastrous £3 million/MW before you start allowing for intermittency.
Many of the more favourable figures quoted for wind are done after grants are added in - anything is cheap if you don't have to pay for it.
Here are the 2006 Government figures:
http://www.renewables-advisory-board.org.uk/vBulletin/attachment.php?s=0...