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I'll update the story as I can over the next few hours.
The latest twist is that (according to the NYT) Barclays is pulling out:
The WSJ says on its front page that this might still just be a negotiating ploy.
The Financial Times in London is more specific:
Business failures 1929 style. Gambling, trading, speculation, leverage, massive borrowings, then bankruptcy. People who invest in money losing companies are likely to lose money.
Barclays Bank is worth, at an approximate estimate, sod all, so what is being attempted here is the takeover by one non-viable institution of another, conditional on hand-outs from the taxpayer.
Barclays had a rights issue, which just about scraped through, and have likely vastly understated their potential losses and need re-capitalising themselves.
This sounds like a double or quits desperation play, perhaps an attempt to ensure that they are 'too big to fail'
Agreed. It seems very much like you suggest. They are attempting to make the 'too big to fail' list so they are not cast to the wolves. In effect, the big financial players are attempting to consolidate their web of interconnectedness.
The global financial system is falling apart really quickly now... it's looking like they'll struggle to keep it going until the US election.
Unfortunately that makes me expect a worse distraction event soon.
Are there any shots from the Space Station showing how far reaching the waves of distruction are?
P.S. No I am not confused and thinking I'm on the Ike thread. This financial Storm is a monster and worthy of all the hype we can muster.
Reuters report here:
http://uk.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUKN0927996520080914?sp=true
this is getting serious:
That is, if A is owed x by Lehman, and Lehamn owes x to B, A and B agree to eliminate Lehman and to say that A is owed x by B.
That's a good thing, but preparing for this means that the likelihood of bankruptcy is not remote.
I don't see how they could do this all in 2 hours. It's just not that transparent and most trades are not queal apples to apples but Macintoshes and Granny Smiths.
If LEH goes bankrupt (which after having worked there, I won't say will make me happy), the financial markets will get crushed tomorrow (though a 'bankruptcy' might indicated reality to a system suddenly used to Monty Hall campaigns.)
Yes, this is a total mess.
BTW, Macintosh is a computer, Mcintosh is a fruit,
but maybe that's what's meant.
Bank of America Said to Walk Away From Talks to Buy Lehman
Things are accelerating... this is the front page of the WSJ website right now (4:30pm EST)
Merrill and AIG are also in desperate straits if Lehman goes bankrupt and these are their attempts to push that off.
Reuters: Merrill Lynch in talks to sell itself to Bank of America for at least $38.25 billion
That's about a 50% premium to Friday's closing price. The short covering rally in Merrill will be rather dramatic.
why would BAC take on such deal at this joint?
Bank of America to buy Merrill Lynch for $29/share: CNBC, citing WSJ
Bank of America Reaches Deal for Merrill
It sounds as though they have created an institution which is 'too big to fail'.
Perhaps this is of a size whereby if it gets into trouble an attempt by the US government to guarantee it would bankrupt them?
How would a bail-out if it became necessary compare in size to the F & F bail-out?
EDIT:
Why the heck is BOA paying over the odds for Merril Lynch?
Something smells very, very fishy to me, and my guess would be that taxpayers money and/or guarantees are being funnelled surruptitiously:
http://seekingalpha.com/article/95414-bank-of-america-merrill-shotgun-ma...
Lehman Inches Toward Bankruptcy After Potential Buyers Drop Out
bank holiday?
Pimco's Gross sees tsunami of risk if Lehman fails
Sounds like he is looking for more taxpayers money. That is what he was predicting if F & F were let fail, so if we are in for a tsunami anyway perhaps he would refund the $1.7bn or so he has conned out of the Government.
The DJ INdustrial futures are already getting hammered...
http://www.bloomberg.com/index_americas.html
The more things change, the more they remain ...
This is similar to the collapse of the Bank of the United States in December, 1930. It was spurned as a merger partner by Wall Street banks and it collapsed. The backwash eliminated hundreds of smaller banks across the country.
http://books.google.com/books?id=tW6GLtJ0LwAC&pg=PA326&lpg=PA326&dq=fail...
The problem here is the Fed and Treasury have painted themselves into a corner. Bailing out Bear Stearns and the GSE's have left them with an empty tool box. The bill for Fannie and Freddie is unknown, with Credit Swaps, mortgage- backed security overhang and other expenses yet to be tallied. This amount could count into $500-billion or even much more. With AIG and Citigroup poised to cross the 'event horizon' into deflation's Black Hole ... the government has to carefully husband its resources.
This leaves out the Credit Default Swap markets; this is a $60 TRILLION market!
http://www.prudentbear.com/index.php/component/content/article/38-Featur...
This market overhangs all; is unregulated, opaque with no margin requirement. It ... and the currency swaps markets ... are much larger than the outstanding debt and FX exchange whose risks the swaps themselves were designed to hedge against.
The leverage that inflated these markets a year ago are now working in reverse ... with a vengeance.
gold down .1, silver up .17 , USDX down .46
Lehman to File for Bankruptcy Protection
"Going to Bankruptcy Room, now Boss ..."
http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/lehman-to-file-for-bankrupt...
Fed to take broader range of collateral on loans
Fed to take equities as loan collateral