The cost of installed capacity for offshore wind is around 2,3 €/W.

The cost of installed capacity for onshore wind is now 1.3 €/W. But this is due to recent up tick caused by lack of productive capacity; 0,4 €/W was a valid figure two years ago.

In 2006 the aim was to have a farm with 38 machines, but since then Enersis has been forced to scale back.

PWP developed a new plug as noted at the start of this article which had a problem causing a year's delay

Those costs weren't supported by the commercial company. The project's budget is essentially the same since its inception.

On the Pelamis website it states that the energy payback is currently around 20 months.

Very well, so why is it so costly? 70 million € for 25 units?

The cost of installed capacity for onshore wind is now 1.3 €/W. But this is due to recent up tick caused by lack of productive capacity; 0,4 €/W was a valid figure two years ago.

I simply don't believe this 0.4 €/W figure - please provide references. According to wikipedia, current price is 1.3 €/W and the 2005 price was 1.1 €/W.

Production capacity is blamed for the increase, but please note that metal prices has risen considerably during this time, as well as the price on energy required to build and erect the wind towers.

I believe wind power technology has matured and its production has become large scale, so the price of wind power likely won't go down from here, unfortunately.

(Nuclear on the other hand is half the cost of wind and has the potential for further development, standardization and scaling to decrease costs further. It was really positive that India has been let in from the cold regarding access to civilian nuclear power tech - that will save the global environment a lot of coal-related stress.)

Luis - please take time to check your facts - providing links to other peoples erroneous blogs is not helpful.

This is a link to SSE's press release regarding the 504MW Greater Gabbard project. The estimated cost *excluding* connection is £1.3 billion or £2.58m/MW. At current exchange rates that is €3.3m/MW.

http://www.scottishsouthern.co.uk/SSEInternet/index.aspx?id=13496&TierSl...

The other person who replied to you is correct. €0.4m/MW was never a valid figure for onshore wind. It has gone up but it was more like €1m/MW >2 years ago.

The link to the other blog you provided stated that Enersis had wanted to increase the project up to 30 machines - there are three already so this is an additional 27 machines. Ok so its been scaled back by two machines (or was it just rounding in the first place) but it was never 38 machines.

Why are you trying so hard to find fault with this project?

Also is €70m for a first of its kind project really costly? Really? on a €/kW capital cost basis the cost is only 13% more than offshore wind - a technology which has now been deployed in 100,000s (onshore) and benefited from a cost reduction of ~80% over the past 25 years in line with this volume reduction. The market for wind turbines was worth €18bn last year and the main industrial beneficiaries are those countries where the markets where first created - and not countries like the UK for example where the technology was developed but not deployed.

If the same potential exists for wave power this could be a very valuable investment for Portugal, particularly since the subsidised tariff is only paid if projects are successful. The money invested in the project is by private companies not the taxpayer and whilst the tariff is higher than for fossil fuel energy (at present) (but considerably below that paid to solar PV) the cost to the consumer would not even show up above the decimal point on someone's bill. Remember the point here is to invest to get a lower cost source of energy that does not pollute and gives security of supply. How much would you be willing to add to your bill to achieve this?

The proposition that the merits of Offshore Wave Energy can be judged according to the performance of primary deployments of three Pelamis vessels - well to call it hasty would be an understatement.

Moreover, to compare the very first Pelamis' performance with that of the massively deployed Onshore Wind turbines in terms of finance & energy returns further indicates a strange partisanship, particularly as embedded carbon-emissions and public opposition are excluded from comparison.

Outright errors, such as the guess of wave being even more intermittent than wind, when even basic experience of the sea teaches that waves continue long after wind has died away (and sometimes they even arrive from afar without their causative winds) and the mistaken past capital pricing of Onshore Windpower, further diminish the credibility of the critique Luis has attempted.

This is a pity, for Pelamis needs critique as being a cheap & cheerful expedient response to political funding constraints, rather than an efficient converter of a very major energy resource. [Back in the '80s the EU15 commissioned research into the wave energy resource which reported that it could potentially supply 80% of EU15 power requirements].

Pelamis, by its tiny frontage (5ms) compared with its length (450ms) and required sea-space (notionally 2x450 x 2x450 = 810,000 m2 = 0.81 km2) takes up a very large area of sea and length of wavefront per metre of wavefront processed. The latter ratio is around 5 : 900 or 1 : 180. Thus it makes rather poor use of the resource, and would need many serried ranks of vessels (& their moorings) to start getting even a minor fraction of the resource harnessed.

The wave energy tech that has attracted most research worldwide is called OWC (Oscillating Water Column), wherein passing waves are made to rise and fall within a chamber. This allows air above the water to be driven through turbines, with the advantages both of compressibility and of relatively minor containment stresses compared to those of using seawater as the working fluid.
The potential is for many wave chambers to be set in a matrix under a V-shaped floating platform to receive waves sequentially, thus providing high-pressure air in some chambers at the same time as low-pressure air in others, thereby greatly enhancing the air-pressure differential across the turbines and thus their conversion efficiency, while also multiplying many-fold the wave-frontage that is being swept.

Needless to say, this is a proposed concept, not a prototype being launched next week, but I hope that its outline gives some idea of the potential future importance of batteries of Offshore Wave Energy vessels as being one of very few sustainable energies to offer city-scale power supply.
Thus the idea that wave energy should be dismissed on TOD as merely a dubious niche-market option is plainly nonsense, but it may perhaps be of interest for the established "renewable" energy lobbies to try to promote.

In assuming that Luis has been misled by such partisan arguments against Offshore Wave, it is to be hoped that he'll now reconsider.

Regards,

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