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My son, who is a high school senior, surprised me a few weeks ago when he told me he was going to major in Chemistry next year. I had expected Computer Science. To me, Chemistry is a much more 'real' career than Computer Science, and I have always thought of Chemistry as one of those infinitely evolving fields that will always be in demand.
Any reality injections are welcome.
It seems to me like engineering is becoming more and more concentrated at the massive engineering factories like Texas A&M, Georgia Tech, and the Big 10 schools. I think a lot of the smaller schools don't have the finances to compete.
If you switch your kids major from chemistry to chemical engineering you will double his pay immediately. The starting salaries in oil/gas and power generation are on the rise big time.
Chemistry is indeed a evolving and important career path, in any scenario involving BAU at some level. I have two daughters in college. One in California looking at natural health systems and nutrition, and one at MIT taking Physics and Material science courses. Both a better bet than political science or a wall street job today. I have a friend whose daughter is at harvard and is amazed at the number of feckless seniors at Harvard are concerned that they have prepared for a cushy job on Wall Street and they suddenly don't exist.
I have a degree in Chemistry and program computers for a living. Deciding to go into pure chemistry as and undergraduate was the best decision I ever made. Gaining and understanding of one of the basic sciences is worth its weight in gold. Save the engineering for graduate school four years is barely enough time to pick up a basic grasp of physics, chemistry and mathematics.
With my background I can program computer, work in any number of chemical related industries, work in the medical field as a lab technician. Actually understand agriculture etc etc. People that don't understand chemistry miss a lot about our world and how it works.
As far as Chemistry being in demand thats a tough one generally in the US you really have to go to graduate school to get a job doing chemistry simply because most of the synthetic work is either drug related or about industrial catalysts. Both areas require advanced degrees. Most chemical production has been outsourced to areas such as China with weak pollution laws.
I made the mistake of taking advanced basket weaving in graduate school theoretical chemistry which is practically worthless but was a lot of fun. If I was entering the field today I'd focus on nano-technology which has a huge untapped potential. We are just now getting to the point that we can do non-homogeneous chemical reactions or real three dimensional chemistry. For example the concept of creating something quite similar to a spiders spinnerets is now conceptually feasible.
Or another example something like a spinneret that creates endless carbon nanotubes. In many cases this is a fusion of concepts from making computer chips and activating the surfaces with catalytic agents.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanochemistry
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&id=EWejwvtfMwwC&dq=nano+chemistry&pr...
Beyond this I'm using my degree now to investigate using liquid nitrogen as a energy store
for renewable energy. You can't do that with a Computer Science degree.
memmel,
Your comment,
"Beyond this I'm using my degree now to investigate using liquid nitrogen as a energy store for renewable energy. You can't do that with a Computer Science degree.
I have sent you an e-mail with document regarding the liquid nitrogen option, which I think has great potential. As to the computer science degree, the ability to engage in advanced computer modeling of liquid air thermodynamics and conversion efficiencies could be of great value.
I think you are on exactly the right track...
RC
Chemistry and particularly chemical engineering should be just fine. I would look at the history of basic chemical processes as society powers down. We will have to learn how to produce basic chemicals with less energy. We will also have to look to other more sustainable sources for plastics, fertilizers, as well as energy.
Chemistry is fine if it is what he really loves. However, I think it would be money well invested to investigate before committing to a degree track. I think materials science/engineering is much more exciting. I've found that all the major breakthroughs in many fields come on the heels of materials.
Of course, should your son ever have the ability for electrical engineering... (oh, we are an arrogant and self aggrandizing bunch - but we earned it). Actually, electrical is interesting, but many other disciplines are equally exciting. My philosophy is so long as you have a good grasp of the fundamentals, you can work within many areas. (First rule, there is no such thing as a free lunch).
As for premier engineering schools, well that must be an American phenomena which escapes my imagination. Anyone graduating from a public university in Canada can hold their own with any MIT or Princeton graduate. I know because I've done it many a time. We do have a few schools that have a reputation for being the best in specialties, but all in all the general education system has a high degree of quality (pun not intended).
At the end of the day, I recommend you take some time and schedule interviews and visits to industries. I started off in architecture and after spending a summer working in the business discovered I couldn't stand it. Most high school counselors couldn't counsel their way out of church picnic. Let him see it, talk to the people, and keep his options open for the first two years.
My 2 cents,
BC_EE
Well, I have a chem degree too. What I found is that I hated research - I had a real deal of an openended sort of corp. grant to investigate TLC and electrophoresis. I also worked in electroplating research which I also hated - dealt mostly with cathodic corrosion potential. In retrospect, I didn't have the intellectual maturity to pull these off. But...
I moved over into production and process development management and became a quasi-ChemE. I loved it. But...
If I had it all to do over again, I should have been an Ag major. My rationale at the time is that I could simply get a job. I have always regretted my choice.
Todd
A BTW, my degree was ACS (American Chemical Society) certified as far as curriculum went which meant I missed out on stuff I was simply interested in. I could only take on elective course during undergraduate study.
My younger sister graduated from RPI (one of the better engineering schools) into the teeth of a chemical industry recession. One member of her class of chemical engineers got a job in the chemical industry.
Prepare for flexibility. Say, as a financial analyst for merchant banking types deciding which chemical industry project to finance.