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HARM on October 8, 2008 - 8:59pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

"Forgive me..but McCain has his head in his ass."

Now that's a tad harsh, don'tcha think? How about, "McCain, like many politicians, is in the pocket of Big Oil. And even if he weren't, it would not change the fact that most American voters are in total, willful denial about Peak Oil. Any attempt to explain the futility of offshore drilling (or limits to growth) will inevitably be met with mass hostility and defeat at the ballot box."

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july1406 on October 8, 2008 - 10:35pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

...now there's another take on P&A. The GOP had better get a BOP on this election because the US voter is beginning to suspect that something's not entirely right in Rightland.

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FMagyar on October 9, 2008 - 5:41am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

The GOP had better get a BOP...

Are you saying their platform is submersible?

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BOP on October 9, 2008 - 6:52pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

I think he is suggesting the GOP may want to close the shear rams PDQ to keep the electoral overpressure from overwhelming the platform.


My thinking is that what the US needs today is a small blow out. Would do the electorate a world of good. As you watch your drill string sail off into the next county over you form a deep appreciation of how short and sweet life truly is, you relearn the true value of good neighbors and team members, you understand the folly of not paying close attention to what task you are performing.


Shut her in? Hell no! Get runnin boys. We gonna let her rip!!


But then I never was a good company man.

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july1406 on October 9, 2008 - 11:26pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

A FPSO adrift in shallow and dangerous water in search of its template. No telling what kind of pressure problems result from a poor cement job? This is like watching technicians from another country, which may or may not have your engineering standards, perform tricky operations on your semi in another language. It's a miracle more things don't go wrong. If we lurch into a "drill baby drill" mode, we'll be pulling tubes out of junkyards and recycling cement, let alone cementheads, by the time it's over. Why drill when you can buy Highpine for its 2008 cashflow?

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tonyw on October 9, 2008 - 4:46am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

"like many politicians, is in the pocket of Big Oil" not only politicians, here's from www.wecansolveit.org

"...
Did you notice the ads after last night's presidential debate?
ABC had Chevron. CBS had Exxon. CNN had the coal lobby. But you know what happened last week? ABC refused to run our Repower America ad -- the ad that takes on this same oil and coal lobby.
..."

They're trying to get 100,000 public comments to ABC before 20/20's next airing. If you want to help them go to

http://www.wecansolveit.org/ABC

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Sterling925 on October 9, 2008 - 9:47am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

TonyW,

Thanks for the link. I'm there.

I usually flip between CNN and CNBC with morning coffee before I go to work. Over the last several weeks I've sent several negative emails to CNN about their heavy placement of energy adds in the morning. It is stunning...oil to coal to NG and back for more. And of course they are all explicitly so very concerned about the environment. I always get their polite auto reply thanking me for the feedback with assurance that tehy read 'em all. If it was a concern before, it has become blatantly obvious that objectivity is long gone from the MSM with regard to energy issues...and, by inference, all other issues.

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Seadragon on October 9, 2008 - 7:42pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Shouldn't that be: Wecantsolveit.org ?

Alternatives: Ignoranceisbliss.org, We'reindenial.org, We'retoostupid.org, Welikerealitytv.org

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Anti_Elvis on October 9, 2008 - 4:24pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Harm:

The political types do need to let society know about Peak Oil..but do it in a way that's not seen as shrill or too far to the Green side.

Boone Pickens has did an excellent job selling his wind generation plan to the public by NOT selling it as a "Green" plan. Boone doesn't sell the "fear". He doesn't talk about GHG. He doesn't talk about Peak Oil & it's ramifications on the economy. Pickens sells his "Green" plan as a path to American Energy independence. Yet, his wind power plan isn't really different than what Greenpeace or the Sierra club has been talking about. It's all in his execution.

McCain and Obama could come forth with a plan along these lines, selling it as "energy independence". A politician that could sell this idea could probably ask Americans to pay a little more to take the country down the path to energy independence. You can't do that by saying "drill drill drill".

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