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As a person reads through this report, one can't help but thinking the devil is in the details. Gasoline usage varies greatly by state, largely because of distances people need to travel. One of the questions is how one adjusts for this.
The part I quote below from Appendix III (not included above) indicates that Wyoming is the state with highest per capita use, but would receive ration coupons at just the average rate for all states. Wyoming is also where a lot of our coal and natural gas comes from. If the allocation scheme doesn't give workers enough oil (or businesses enough oil), we could see the shortage in oil spill over to shortages in coal and natural gas. Ouch!
One aspect of a rationing plan that could truly generate a state's right battle is royalty oil belonging to the various oil producing states. I don't have the details in front of me, but the state of Texas owns a considerable amount of oil producing mineral rights especially in those old fields out in west Texas. The revenues from these royalties fund a significant portion of the state's high education system. But more to the point: typically royalty owners have their share of the production sold by the operator acting as their agent. But that royalty may also be taken in kind. Thus Texas (and I assume La, OK, MS, Al, WY, Cal et al) could take a significant portion of US oil production and direct its use as they so desired. For instance, perhaps Texas would deliver their royalty oil only to refiners (many of whom operate in Texas) if the refiner pledges to only market the products within the state.
Now wouldn't that ignite a blood mess?
It sounds like you are talking about states circumventing the rationing system.
Since states have the right to tax production (in money or in a % of produced amount), it sounds like it might be possible. Depends on how strong the US is in overseeing any rationing. I'd think you would need a pretty strong top-down approach.
Gail -- I'm not talking about a state working a tax angle in the rationing scheme. The oil I'm talking about actually belongs to the state. They purchased those mineral rights long ago. The status of those rights is no different than the royalty rights the Feds own in the OCS. The state can take physical possession of all that oil and do as it wishes with it. Somewhat similar to the Colorado River water right Cal purchased years ago. I doubt Cal would accept the Feds coming in and giving that water to AZ, for instance, regardless of how "fair" such a rationing plan would be.
On the one hand, I don't think such actions are guaranteed. But I've been in Texas for almost 30 years and have a good handle on state politics and general public sentiment towards the Feds. In a truly catastrophic long term shortage situation (a true nightmare scenario) I can honestly envision an armed conflict if it came to it and neither side back off. That may sound absurd to some but come on down and spend some time here...might change that thought. I’m really not being a doomer. I just really know the folks down here. It’s not just an old joke: many here think of themselves as citizens of Texas before they consider themselves US citizens.
Rock
do you remember in the energy crises in the 1970s some Texas and Louisiana politicians saying something to the effect 'well we don't HAVE to sell our gasoline to other states. it is ours after all.."
I remember reading about that buy can't find link...
Nate -- I'm sure it was said numerous times back in the days of "Let Them Yankees Freeze in the Dark" bumper stickers. And here’s a link with a bunch of Texas political tongue wagers:
http://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/texas/entry/let_the_bastards_freeze_...
The thought wouldn't be so disturbing if I didn't really see the potential for such a conflict. Until the recent economic meltdown and the prospect of OPEC becoming (MAYBE???) an effective cartel I couldn't imagine a scenario where it might come to that sort of conflict. Are you in TX? If so you may understand that long standing and somewhat buried resentment towards DC that many here harbor. The conditions that Texas required the Feds (both factual and urban legend variety) to accept before voluntarily joining the Union is well known by most native borns. I've been here for 30 years and am still considered as a TBC...Texan By Choice.
Folks...I do kid around here a lot...just my nature. But I really am concerned about such a prospect if the SHTF really hard.
Actually the most popular bumper sticker was, "Let the bastards freeze in the dark." This was in reference to most of the natural gas produced in the state being obligated to be sent out of the state to the midwest. They were everywhere including one on each of my tankwagons and employees' cars.
Now that I think of it, this may be the reason Matt Simmons puts together maps of energy resources by states, and figures out which states are importers. Georgia and Florida do pretty badly. Florida, Louisiana, Wyoming, and Kentucky do pretty well (from memory). I am sure there are others too.
If there is ever a cheese shortage, I'm in good shape...
You live in Tillamook?
Kidding
I always hate this argument and I want to call BS on it. The "I can't get to work because I don't have my car!" cry is really pathetic. A truck or SUV or even a reasonably sized (by today's standards, although not actually reasonable - still WAY too big) sedan is the only way to work? My blood is boiling just thinking about it. People will get to work, because they need the money to survive.
No car? What, they can't walk? Ride a bicycle? Get a high-milage vehicle? Car pool? Use public transit? Move closer to work? What a bunch of nonsense.
I know, I know. You'll counter, but this is Wyoming! We have wide open spaces with many miles to cover. Again, I argue that car pooling, getting a high-mileage vehicle, or cycling are workable solutions. I can even imagine scenarios once fuel is really scarce where you comute to-and-from work just once a week. Go to work on Monday, live in a campground at the coal and gas mines/worksite, and go home on Friday.
In short, my point is that the nation will never be held hostage by a shortage of workers because those workers can't get to work. When put between a rock and a hard place, people will do what they need to do to survive. A lot of people don't think that they'll never garden, but they will. People don't think that they would ever take public transportation, but they will. People think, oh I couldn't possibly ride a bike 20 or 30 or 40 miles, but they will.
When I visited Wamsutter, Wyoming, where the BP tight gas facility is, I could not believe how empty it was out there. It is in the Red Desert. The vegetation is mostly sage brush. The nearest grocery store was 30 miles away. A trip to the doctor or to a Walmart was 70 miles away. Some workers commuted 70 miles to work each day, for this reason.
BP put up a dormitory where workers could stay, because it is so hard to get to. I stayed in one of the rooms there. It provides everything including a bed, a bath (down the hall), cafeteria food, laundry service, internet connection, and recreation for workers. OK for singe folks, or those staying a short time, but not great for those with families.
Johnathan wrote
"When put between a rock and a hard place, people will do what they need to do to survive."
Here here... commuters should stop whingeing and buy a scooter. It's what I did. If you live in a cold climate buy a custom made waterproof blanket which attaches to the trailing edge of the front fairing - keeps the weather & splash off the legs and lower body. As widely used in Northern Europe. (not sure if these are available in USA yet)
Based on what I get from my Honda SH125i, a modern 125cc 4 stroke scooter should give about 100mpg (Imperial) or up to 125mpg if driven gently.
There is a whole group of workers and professionals in the energy sector, public transport, rail, hospitals, vet services, pharmacies, water & sewer, security and many other public services and utilities where shift work is common and where preferential fuel allocations are necessary to maintain the current level of service and maintenance.