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From the "Peak Oil a Hoax?" Article linked uptop:
Regarding Saudi Arabia, it is a near certainty that their cumulative net exports from 2006 to 2009, inclusive, will be more than a billion barrels less than what they would have (net) exported if they had just maintained their 2005 net export rate of 9.1 mbpd.
It's helpful to put oil prices in some longer term perspective. From 1999 through 2007, WTI oil prices increased at +16.5%/year, which at this rate would have resulted in an average price of $85 in 2008. Through October, the average annual price will be well over $100 of course.
We are obviously seeing some demand destruction, especially in the US, and it doesn't look like we will be resuming the 6% per month rate of increase any time soon. But I do think we need to keep prices in perspective.
News Bulletin:
CNBC just reported that CERA is predicting an oil prices of $78 for 2009 (I believe for the Fourth Quarter), versus $85 for the Fourth Quarter of 2008. So, we at least have some reliable price guidance now, although I'm not sure that the CERA Indicator is as accurate as the Yergin Indicator. In any case, based on past history, it would appear that the target price for late 2009 is around $156.
There's plenty of temporary demand destruction taking place as the de-leveraging continues. Some of this demand destruction will enforced by lenders cutting back on the loans it will make, e.g. car loans. While this is taking place then pretty much everything will be hit as money becomes more scarce and expensive. Whether this demand destruction continues will be determined by the economy, if people think the oil price will generally continue to increase they will work from this basis. Unfortunately at the moment few politicians are telling this message to the people, while there are plenty of people saying PO is a hoax, wells are being capped by big oil, plenty in ANWR...
We have seen some bank failouts but IMHO this has not addressed the underlying problems but merely prolonged or postponed the outcome:-(
Merritt Pkwy.(from Westchester co. NY to near Hartford) appeared to be right back to traffic levels of a few years ago . Recently traffic levels had been down significantly and it was very smooth sailing up toward NH, even on Friday evenings. Friday it was very heavy and there were backups in all the old spots and this on what I would consider a "tweener" weekend. Had not seen this in over a year. We bought gas in MT. Holyoke in MA for 2.69 (2.65 on way back) but I think it was 3.39 on the Merrit itself. Apparenetly $3 is the new $1.49:)
Matt
Minor clarification. I developed the "Yergin Indicator" based on Yergin's November, 2004 prediction in Forbes that oil prices would be back down to $38 by late 2005, as rising oil production forced prices down (where he was described as dismissing concerns about oil supplies with a "shrug."). Of course, basically flat crude production and two years of declining net oil exports forced prices up.
In any case, the Yergin Indicator suggests that oil prices will trade at least twice his predicted index price within one to two years of his prediction. So presumably the CERA/Yergin Indicator suggests that oil prices should be at or above $156 some time between late 2009 and late 2010.
Here is an excerpt of my June, 2007 post on TOD:
http://teslaverde.blogspot.com/ I have found that there are a lot of uninformed people in this country- especially people in my age bracket. It is hard to get to people my age with all of the distractions we have. I've attempted to make a funny yet informative website that people 18-30 could relate to, who have no previous knowledge of energy. Please pass the URL on to people who you think may learn something... http://teslaverde.blogspot.com/
This will be largely 101 information for your typical oil drum reader (and a bit crass to your older more sophistacted reader)- but if you have a child, grandchild, niece or nephew in the 18-30 bracket you've had a hard time conveying information to- It may help them. I've had a bit of success so far with people I know!