Anti_Elvis,

I don't think the problem is one of not being 'bathed in energy' but one of society being entirely addicted to more extreme/concentrated and easily accesible (high EROEI) forms of it. To use an analogy its a little like saying a crack cocaine user could simply start eating all the coca leaves in the forest as there are literally tonnes of them out there...

What we need is a plan to get us from 'A' to 'B' -a transition plan. Unfortunatley the main issue at the moment is not that we don't have a plan, but everyone thinks we are heading towards destination 'C'.

[Edit]In response to FMagyar I would say that I do not believe it is in the fundamental nature of any species to "end growth" be it organic (yeast) or a higher form (man) -we rush towards consuming all...

Nick.

Nick,

Unfortunatley the main issue at the moment is not that we don't have a plan, but everyone thinks we are heading towards destination 'C'.

We have a plan?! Whoa, I don't think I got that memo. Pray tell what exactly it is. I'd sure like to be in on it.

[Edit]In response to FMagyar I would say that I do not believe it is in the fundamental nature of any species to "end growth" be it organic (yeast) or a higher form (man) -we rush towards consuming all...

First let me agree with the gist of your statement.

However, when you (subconsciously perhaps) attempt to distinguish between organic yeast and (inorganic?) higher form man, you prove exactly the point that I was making, which is that Humans have this false belief that they are above these lowly organisms because of their superior intellect, culture, technology etc.. etc..

like yeast we do not posses the capability to live beyond the natural limits of the carrying capacity of our natural resources. We are a product of and dependent on,the natural world for our existence and can't break natural laws with impunity any more than a bacterial bloom can expect to continue it's exponential growth on a finite substrate.

Then again, given that humans, (some anyways) are capable of realizing that we are heading down an unsustainable path. We could,in theory at least, make a conscious collective choice to change from our present course. Though that means we would have accept the reality that growth cannot be sustained and then take that to it's logical conclusion.
No matter how you slice or dice it I have yet to hear of anyone who is willing to speak openly about the consequence of such a choice.

So, what was that plan 'C' again, that you were referring to?

Cheers!

FMagyar

I meant it to mean: we do not have a plan but more importantly we are going in the wrong direction anyway.

...and yess we are like yeast.

Now for that plan...

Well, off the top of my head and as a 1st step I would say the main thing we have to do is rapidly transition an increasingly large chunk of liquid fuels away from ICE / car / ground transport usage. I watched Obamas energy speech in Michigan last night on YouTube and he seems to have the right idea...

The cost of liquid fuel is going to go up and up but I think people will still pay a high price for the utility in some cases -e.g. Business Class cost flights.

At the same time we should beef up the Electrical distribution capabilities and start to prepare for the decline in Gas/Coal with nuclear and renewables.

Its going to be a 30+ year transition.

Nick.