Termoil,
Wouldn't it be great if the public abandoned BAU, moved into the inner city,or countryside, only used mass transit.
It's not going to occur unless we have a Paul Pot dictatorship. People want to make the minumum change to lifestyle, keep their nice suburban homes and gardens, have private transport.
But wait, maybe they don't have to abandon what they have saved for the last 20years, we are running out of oil, not electricity, we have to reduce carbon dioxide, not eliminate electricity consumption, we have to save water, not stop watering gardens, or stop showers.
Electric cars will not elininate the need for oil, but they can really dramatically reduce oil consumption, giving us time to replace diesel. Mass transit infrastructure can help to reduce oil and traffic, but it takes decades of investment to really make a difference. Cars are replaced faster than houses, roads, rail, so its logical to make the maximum change initially in vehicle transport. Replacing coal generated electricity will take longer, but EV/(battery powered) will stop CTL or hydrogen fuel cells.

I've never really understood the belief that we will just abandon suburbia entirely if there is any feasible alternative open to those who have their life savings sunk into it.

Electric cars are a feasible alternative, and thus their adoption seems inevitable to me.

In my day job I'm frequently in the position of proposing options for projects that aren't able to generate a good enough business case to get funded - and often have to settle for second-best alternatives that acknowledge dismal BAU reality.

That's life unfortunately - no one has an infinitely large amount of money and our starting point is what is out there today. Better place will make suburbia a better place if it succeeds - its not an enemy of Transport Oriented Development and the like - just an alternative which will be necessary for a lot of people - at least for the next couple of decades.

As we've seen in California, real estate in the farther suburbs crashed harder than real estate in nice urban neighborhoods. Gas prices and long commutes certainly played a part, but the bigger reason is that the relative affordability of these areas attracted more first-time and subprime borrowers who took out option ARM loans.

As energy prices rise even more, you can expect the discount on suburban housing to grow even larger, maybe enough to offset the fuel costs of commuting. When cash-strapped governments can no longer afford to maintain utility lines, suburban housing may get even cheaper.

I expect that you are right Neil in that people won't abandon their homes in the suburbs. What they might junk is tripstothe mall, endless weekend sport trips for kids, road trip holidays, long commutes to far flung jobs, large scale home improvement projects, and generally all the other discretionary lifestyle car trips that can be avoided. Given that we are not going to run out of oil, there will still be fuel for ICE cars and probably plenty of them for the next 30-40 years. We can retain the existing vehicle fleet and use it much more efficiently for a lot less investment than this EV proposal. Doesn't it make much more sense to go down that road first? Getting traffic off the roads will assist with longevity of them and we may just find new ways to make suburbs more inhabitable so that people don't have to travel as much.

I don't know about you, but I live in a commuter suburb that is essentially abandoned on a daily basis and it's a weird palce to be on a weekday. I have developed a plan for my immediate neighbourhood which would transform the place into a workable self reliant village in a fairly short timeframe. I now believe that it won't be an oil shortage that kickstarts the plan but widespread unemployment in the next few years. The net effect will be the same. My neighbours and I will have a shortage of money to buy energy to transport us out of here each day so we going to be stuck here. In that situation nobody is going to have the money to even buy a bicycle let alone an EV. We do have plenty of cars though and there is still petrol to be bought and I expect that we will do a lot of car pooling for essential trips. We're going to have an awful lot of bloody good rolling stock that could be mothballed for decades and brought out one by one as we need them.

Not quite sure why think the market is going to just jump at EVs rather than evolve to less driving unless they are forced by some dictator? Thats the great thing about the free market: people are free to choose and once people realise that happy motoring is going to be increasingly expensive (or lame) they will make other choices in how they live. Even if EV's are an alternative, I still think that many people will start to rethink the whole commuter lifestyle.

I appreciate your right to advocate for this new and as yet unproven technology. But as Einstein said "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them." I suggest that this fantasy of EV's is simply an extension of the thinking that has created the problems of a society completely dependent on cheap motoring. It is an attempt to treat the most obvious symptom of a much greater systemic disease and as such is doomed to ultimate failure.

The main planks of the EV economy need to be developed anyway, most particularly batteries, as otherwise transport of goods from railheads, small agricultural tractors etc will not be possible.

It is also a stretch to call EV cars an unproven technology. Performance does not yet approach ICE cars with which they currently compete, but they can certainly be done, and battery technology has been improving at around 8% a year for many years.
What is far more unproven is any notion that without extensive use of electricity to power transport people can keep eating in an oil-poor world.

Perhaps I should have framed the context a little better. While electric cars undoubtedly exist and function just fine, the technology is yet to prove itself is widely deployed system which has reached critical market acceptance.

People have been eating for a long time without electricity or oil. Lots of people will keep eating. It is just those that rely exclusively on cheap transported food could have some real difficulties. This is one of the most powerful forces that will force societal change in profound ways. Long before you can roll out the elctric trucks and tractors, people will have found other ways to keep eating if it gets that bad.

Without oil and electricity only a fraction of the present world's population 'kept eating', so there is no evidence at all that this would be possible in the modern world.

Any new technology faces hurdles to it's introduction, but the understanding of what is needed for electric transport to be introduced at a large scale is well understood - the context under which it has so far operated is one in which oil has been cheap, and that is unlikely to be the case for much longer.
Here is one example of what can be done at the moment in trucking:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FZX/is_2_74/ai_n24381330

The costs are high, but not out of line with the costs for petrol driven alternatives, and can only improve.

The British supermarket, Sainsbury's, is also in the process of making 20% of it's home delivery fleet electric.

60 million electric bikes are on the road in China.