The Oil Drum | DrumBeat: November 2, 2008

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Jude Clemente on November 2, 2008 - 9:50pm

Evolving? He wants to destroy our most important energy resource: the coal industry. His quotes are downright scary:
check it

http://tinyurl.com/68oyz4

For those of you that like electricity - 51% comes from coal - stop this clean and present danger!!!

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Ben on November 2, 2008 - 11:09pm

A final note: the shoddy Newsbusters blog has been caught in the past simply fabricating news regarding the Chronicle's coverage. Our paper has demanded corrections for their fiction, but to no avail.

We contacted Bill Riggs, regional press secretary of the Republican National Committee tonight on his emailing of this erroneous report suggesting a ''hidden'' Chronicle audiotape to political reporters. His response: he didn't confirm it, or write the headline. He just sent it out.

He got taken. And so did the rest.

Link

As for "Newsbusters," look up Bozell and read about some of his fine works, such as this...

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eric blair on November 3, 2008 - 2:28am

like electricity - 51% comes from coal - stop this clean and present danger!!!

Gee Jude - one day the coal won't be there. So why not move to Solar and Wind now?

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Gwydion on November 3, 2008 - 10:56am

Coal use also results in some of the largest CO2 emissions per unit energy. As a rough estimate, 1 million BTUs of coal is about 90 lbs, which when burned results in 257 pounds CO2. 1 million BTUs of methane is 853 cubic feet, which results in 104.5 lbs CO2, less than half. For oil, 1 million BTUs is 58 lbs (0.17 barrels?) = 155 lbs CO2.

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Leanan on November 3, 2008 - 7:03am

Dude, you're new here, so I'll cut you some slack.

But you just posted this 10 minutes earlier. Do not keep re-post the same story over and over again. Once is enough.

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elwoodelmore on November 3, 2008 - 9:50am

"He wants to destroy our most important energy resource:"

i keep getting these robocalls from the gop. 1st obama was a friend of terrorists, then he wanted to raise my taxes, then later the financial melt-down was caused by the democrat congress elected in '06.

from this i conclude that many of mccain's votes will come from the less than dull normal.

i've engaged in political discussions here like many others, but an internet robocall ???

give us a break.

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DaveMart on November 3, 2008 - 10:18am

Someone at republican HQ has worked out that 50% of the population is sub-normal - if they get all those the result is in the bag!

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Ben on November 3, 2008 - 12:34pm

Just for the record, a little more than a sound bite is called for. If this issue is important enough, that is.

Here's the transcript:

“I voted against the Clear Skies Bill. In fact, I was the deciding vote -- despite the fact that I’m a coal state and that half my state thought that I had thoroughly betrayed them. Because I think clean air is critical and global warming is critical.

“But this notion of no coal, I think, is an illusion. Because the fact of the matter is, is that right now we are getting a lot of our energy from coal. And China is building a coal-powered plant once a week. So what we have to do then is figure out how can we use coal without emitting greenhouse gases and carbon. And how can we sequester that carbon and capture it. If we can’t, then we’re gonna still be working on alternatives.

“But ... let me sort of describe my overall policy. What I’ve said is that we would put a cap and trade policy in place that is as aggressive if not more aggressive than anyone out there. I was the first call for 100 percent auction on the cap and trade system. Which means that every unit of carbon or greenhouse gases that was emitted would be charged to the polluter. That will create a market in which whatever technologies are out there that are being presented, whatever power plants are being built, they would have to meet the rigors of that market and the ratcheted-down caps that are imposed every year.

“So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can. It’s just that it will bankrupt them because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted. That will also generate billions of dollars that we can invest in solar, wind, biodiesel, and other alternative energy approaches. The only thing that I’ve said with respect to coal -- I haven’t been some coal booster. What I have said is that for us to take coal off the table as an ideological matter, as opposed to saying if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should."

I notice Jude hasn't come back, after posting the link in a half dozen threads in a few minutes :)

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geewiz on November 4, 2008 - 2:03am

i don't know about your negative ratings,(which says something about the chickens here) but all i can say about Obama is: voting for Obama is like the chickens voting for Col. Sanders. This guy, Obama, is a marxist if there ever was one. He is a charlatan. I would like clean coal energy too, but it has a price. nonetheless, Obama is not what we want. he is promising the world, and i mean the world. Which can never happen. It isn't possible. Unless your really Jesus. but it's not possible after the $700 billion bailout.
He is promising the world to everyone, and will deliver absolutely nothing. it's all false promises. but what do i know? more bailouts are to come, and we are pretty much tapped out in terms of money, so to expect us all to give a little bit (Supertramp) more is going to crash this economy. We are maxed out on our money, and we haven't room to give much more. if any.

I am disgusted with Bush 2 as much as anyone. but Obama is not the marxist answer that we need. when it comes to national security, McCain is hands down better qualified, but Obama is going to be the next American Hugo Chavez.

tonight we will see if we are chickens or not. The middle east hopes so, russia hopes so. lord knows they have funneled plenty of money to the Obama campaign.

Bullets are hard to find in league city, texas. Academy along I45 south towards Galveston.

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