Don, enemy, what you're calling for is selfless altruism: Young people can work less hard in college and get better jobs with more upward mobility if they eschew engineering altogether.

I know it's different in Germany, but here in the US of A the rewards go to those who manipulate resources, not those who create them. Salary, promotions, and plain old control over your destiny are withheld from those who are viewed as interchangeable cogs in the great profit-making machine. Technical specialists, no matter how highly trained and experienced, are still viewed as the Enlisted Class by the Officer Corps.

After all, a GM or a VW isn't in business to make cars, their only raison d'ĂȘtre is making money, and cars are nothing more than a waste product of that enterprise. The means to the end is therefore to pinch back your expenses - meaning payroll - as much as possible while continuing to roll product out the door. Who cares if it's a short-sighted approach? Any Board of Directors that lets profits sag because they're investing in the future will be out the door long before their approach is vindicated.

None of this should be news to anyone here - I learned these lessons myself the hard way. You'd a thunk that a Stanford Ph.D. in Chemistry and a dozen patents would engender a little respect after thirty years, but you'd be wrong. So now I've abandoned all productive work, and my income has risen dramatically ever since. I can't get over this cognitive dissonance as I'm tugged between the extremes of judgment in "wasting my life" vs. seeing my work used to kill innocent people and enrich company leaders who are little more than hideous caricatures of bloated self-indulgence.

I'm sorry; was that harsh? As Lily Tomlin said, "No matter how cynical you get, it's impossible to keep up."

Don, enemy, what you're calling for is selfless altruism: Young people can work less hard in college and get better jobs with more upward mobility if they eschew engineering altogether.

I think Don, and I expect many of these nonproductive jobs to go away. That still remains to be seen. But clearly many jobs in the financial system are going away. Thats a rather substantial attitude change of course. There will surely be resistance to it.

Don't forget the huge unproductive brain-drain from Uncle Sam's Military-Industrial-Political Complex. Ike is rolling in his grave. Uncle Sugar is absolutely desperate to hire more Federal Civil Servants (Formerly known as General Schedule, or 'GS' employees, now NSPS {Nt'l Security Personnel System)...Sandia, Lawrence Livermore, Los Alamos, Oak Ridge, Savanna River, Hanaford, Pacific National Labs, and on and on. And then there are the contractors...lions and tigers and bear oh my! The vast majorities of these scientists and engineers need to be US citizens, and they are working on better ways to kill folks instead of better ways to conserve energy and provide more environmentally friendly energy and so forth. If that isn't bad enough, I authenticate that the 'managers' in this gigantic unproductive enterprise make far more than most of the PhD scientists and engineers...for making and presenting Power Point slides and such.

I don't want to hear the foderol that there aren't enough scientists and engineers to work in solar, wind, geothermal, nuclear energy, efficiency technologies, and power transmission...if we were to pull the throttle back 25% on our atrocious 'National (in)Security' budgets, we could do all that and more! Of course, Uncle Sam, and his 'Don't tax me one nickel (unless it is for 'National Defense' then we will give you everything you want and ignore you losing track of $2T over 15 years) taxpayers would have to re-allocate this level of effort to these energy and other sustainability technologies.

We spend more on 'National Defense' than the rest of the world combined, and have for some time now, with no letup in sight. Obama and his coterie of Democrats will not have the _alls to reduce the 'Defense' budget by even 10%...they know that the right-wing attack dog machine would pounce and the scared grandmas and soccer moms with the faded 'support our troops' magnets and stickers would run for safe have under the Republican's 'Big Daddy' 'Defense' umbrella, and all would be well again in Military-Industrial-Political Complex-Land. If the people needed extra convincing, then another 'attack' would magically happen.

Talk about cognitive dissonance...I dearly would love to work in the sustainable energy industries...where are they? They are but a mote of dust next to the M-I-P Complex job base. M-I-P Complex jobs pay a lot more and unfortunately will be around forever (or until our society collapses).

We spend more on 'National Defense' than the rest of the world combined..

Oh, how I wish we could come to our senses. But in Luntz type opinion sampling, "keeping America strong" polls better than anything else. And remember the primaries, where Hillary, and Obama felt obliged to out-tough each other. This security fetish is deeply embedded within the culture. Politicians chip away at it at their peril.

I remember when things first started going south in Iraq. In conservative circles, it was routinely blamed on Clinton, for cutting the military. And the popularity of military conflict themes in the entertainment media just re-inforces the meme -that the best/only way to solve conflict is violence. And of course it is also so much better plotwise to have all your opponents being totally evil, wouldn't want any moral dilemmas to intrude on the satisfaction of killing the bad guys.