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We cannot eliminate oil use. Not in the US, not in Europe. Everything we do, everything we have and everything we eat requires oil & ng. Fertilizers, plastics, elastics, nylon, polyesters, condoms & even the pill. People get food from supermarkets, money from jobs transporting things & baking air.
All over the 'globalized' world, we need constant and preferably rapid growth to keep the system going: only growth can promise affluence for everyone.
Inverse growth or contraction will cause a major fight over remaining resources: witness the glorious way the good old boys are 'privatizing' the next x-ty years of taxes.
We all know the world isn't ruled rationally. But in this globalized world, everything is connected to everything, and all of its systems are at full capacity or over.
Even if global warming wasn't there, we are doomed to worse than unpleasant times. And as for global warming, I can only hope for fast and furious demand destruction of fossil fuels. Faint hope...
The next bit is misery followed by death.
sorry.
FFS.
Would you like to tell me which fertilisers come directly from *oil*. Not natural gas, but oil?
Would you like to tell me just what percentage of oil goes into your laundary list of other products - is the entire output of Gwahar required for the pill? Would oil increasing in price by a factor of 100 affect the manifacturing costs of condoms much?
And, of course, how many of these uses are absolutely non-substitutable, even given that negative EROEI oil sources are prefectly OK as a source of industrial feedstocks?
Have you put even the slightest thought into this subject? Learned any science outside of the Offifial Doomer Line (tm)?
Subsitiution of static Oil and Gas use (Heating, some electric and feedstocks) is a relatively trivial problem to fix; Nuclear power with climate-appropriate renewable contributions can fix this on century-plus timescales. Substitution of transport varies in difficulty; most commuting a local travel can be substituted with EVs with current technology; Air travel and long distance haulage are the harder problems.. but we'll have enough oil for them for decades to come.
There is no particular reason why we need fast growth, this is not the requirement for debt repayment as commonly asserted here (you forget inflation).
Try to be critical of anything you read that agrees with what you already think.
excellent. the (tm) is priceless.
Also correct in every sense.
Did you ever calculate how much effort, design, advertising, packaging and transport go into your ergonomically formed throw away razors?
How much oil is used in the process?
I think there are alternatives to growth and it is not a case of affluence or death.
Ask the 36.4 million people below the poverty line in the US.