![]() | Truth or Consequences | The Oil Drum | Electrical Supply: Time, Scale, and the Need for Decision in Planning Future Power Plants | ![]() |
132 comments on DrumBeat: November 17, 2008
Comments can no longer be added to this story.
Show without comments | PDF version
132 comments on DrumBeat: November 17, 2008
Comments can no longer be added to this story.
Show without comments | PDF version
Search The Oil Drum with Google
Support The Oil Drum
Recently on TOD:World
TOD:Campfire
TOD:Europe
- Peak Gold, Easier to Model than Peak Oil? - Part I
- Carbon Capture and Storage
- Oilwatch Monthly November 2009
TOD:Canada
- In this house, we obey the laws of thermodynamics!
- The Round-Up: October 24, 2008
- Compressed Air Energy Storage - How viable is it?
TOD:Australia/NZ
- International Energy Agency calls 'Peak' on OECD Oil Demand
- Australian Senate: Peak Oil motion defeated 31:6
- The Bullroarer - Friday 20th November 2009
TOD:Net Energy
Blogroll
Energy Sites
- The Coming Global Oil Crisis
- Die Off
- Dry Dipstick
- Energy Bulletin
- From the Wilderness
- Life After the Oil Crash
- Peak Oil Crisis
- Peak Oil News and Message Boards
- Powerswitch
- Rigzone
- Matthew Simmons
- Wolf at the Door
Environment & Sustainability Sites
- The Daily Green
- EcoGeek
- Eco Street
- Green Car Congress
- Green Options
- green.alltop.com
- Gristmill
- RealClimate
- Sustainablog
- Treehugger
- WorldChanging
Blogs
- Casaubon's Book
- Cleantech Blog
- Clusterf
k Nation (Jim Kunstler) - The Cost of Energy
- David Strahan
- Early Warning
- The Energy Blog
- European Tribune
- GraphOilology
- Health After Oil
- jeffvail.net
- Mobjectivist
- Peak Energy (Australia)
- Peak Energy (USA)
- R-Squared
- Resource Insights
Finance & Economics Blogs
- The Big Picture
- Calculated Risk
- The Crash Course
- Ecological Economics
- Econbrowser
- Environmental Economics
- Infectious Greed
- The Mess That Greenspan Made
- Mish's Global Economic Trend Analysis
Organizations
Peak Oil Primers
Beware email scams!
Beware email scams claiming to be from this site. We do not have any job openings. If anyone contacts you about a job at The Oil Drum, do not reply to them, and definitely do not give them any personal information or send them money. Read more here.
“A third of humanity doesn't want to ride bikes anymore; that has profound geopolitical implications.”
—Anne Korin, the co-director of the Institute for the Analysis of Global Security (May 1, 2005)
User login
Contact
- Content: editors at theoildrum dot com
- Tech support: support at theoildrum dot com
Personnel
- Editors: Nate Hagens, Gail the Actuary, Prof. Goose
- DrumBeat Editor: Leanan
- Contributors: ace, Engineer-Poet, Heading Out, jeffvail, JoulesBurn, Sam Foucher, Robert Rapier
- TOD:Campfire: Glenn, Jason Bradford
- TOD:Europe: Chris Vernon, Euan Mearns, Francois Cellier, Jerome a Paris, Luís de Sousa, Rembrandt, Rune Likvern, Ugo Bardi
- TOD:Canada: benk, Libelle
- TOD:ANZ: Big Gav, Phil Hart, aeldric
- Emeritus: Stuart Staniford
- Technician: Super G
License
This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 United States License.










GAIA Host Collective
An arabian super tanker, the sirius star, has been hijacked in the arabian sea. This attack seems to have happened in the open sea, at 450 nm southeast from Kenya. Not quite an amateur job seems to me but jeffvail hopefully will help us analyse this event if it is confirmed and unfolds. Crude oil for the moment seems rather unaffected, up 1$ on the news, downthrifting since.
supplies are struggleing !
indeed, and a term we dont hear cast about is supply distruction. istm that supply distruction has been ongoing for about 25 yrs. oil is burned(destroyed) but not fully replaced. supply destruction, that may get the economists' underwear in a twist.
neuroil -
It very likely has something to do with marine insurance and liability issues, but I find it more than just a bit silly that a 200,000-ton super tanker can be successfully attacked by a 24-foot speedboat driven by a rag-tag bunch of coked-up thugs armed with nothing more than some automatic rifles and a few RPGs.
You hardly need to keep a billion-dollar missile frigate on station to prevent this sort of free-lance piracy. Something as simple as a few pedestal-mounted 20 mm machine guns placed on each side of the tanker's bridge would make short work of any attacking small craft.
But the owners probably would rather not go that route, as it would require the addition to the crew of a small group of security professionals to man the guns. And I'm sure their lawyers, accountants, and insurers would conjure up all sorts of problems with operating an 'armed merchant ship'.
Any people knowledgable on maritime law out there?
Not to mention the combination of 200.000 tons of fuel and the possibility of an exchange of explosive projectiles would make any insurer a bit nervous. Better pay these guys off than risk a 100 million dollars worth of crude.
Also, high volatility likely today around the close - it's option expiry day so lots of nervous people with itchy trigger fingers.
indeolie -
I see your point. However, I seriously doubt if a little small arms fire and a couple of RPGs are going to set off a super tanker. I also wonder how much it costs to keep a US Navy ship actively on station for months at a time. I guess it's really a matter of whose pocket the money is coming out of, and I can understand why the shippers would want someone else to take the responsibility (and absorb the cost) of protecting their ships.
The question is: how long are these shippers going to let the bullies take their lunch money? If rock stars, celebrities, and Brinks trucks can have armed body guards, why not super tankers? If the proper armament is provided, a small craft wouldn't be able to even get within firing range of a super tanker. (At least give the crew some cutlasses to repel boarders.)
I seriously doubt you have any idea what it would take to set one off.
Depends on if it has finished product. If it did, it could be set off with just a few set placements of small arms ammunition. An RPG would be sooooo easy.
Even with just Crude on board, it could be a mess in only a few minutes. Just gotta know where o put it.
Ever see the end of the movie 'Syriana'?
Ka-BOOM!
But that was a LNG tanker. They make for a very big bang :)
Yeah, but I can't imagine that a tanker full of refined products would fare much better :(
Even in an empty tanker, I would imagine that the fumes remaining would make a pretty spectacular bang.
For the maximum impact though, perhaps a partially empty tanker would be the easiest to explode - plenty of fumes to set things off.
Ah, why worry? USA's taxpayers will foot the security bill for the crude highway, always have.
The USS Cole proves otherwise.
A warship coming to dock in peace is a different beast than one in a defensive posture.
Right now the pirates are bloodsucking ticks: irritating and noxious but tolerable in small numbers. It is only a matter of time before the pirates overplay their gambit and the local populace suffers the result. Fumigation will kill the ladybugs along with the ticks, to stretch the analogy.
I think they chose poorly when they took the Russian arms ship. Eventually a situation will escalate and the pirates' den will be cleared, and perhaps much of the Somalia coast with it. It will probably not be the US though -- we'd just do an escort service instead.
"24-foot speedboat driven by a rag-tag bunch of coked-up thugs armed with nothing more than some automatic rifles and a few RPGs."
They were 450nm offshore. A 24 foot boat wouldn't even be close to tall enough for them to throw up a grappling hook. I'm sure they used the money from their last hijacking to buy a bigger boat.
I told you so... (yeah, people hate that phrase...)
Some time ago I posted here about piracy, and was belittled by a few. That was in a discussion on the importance of Naval forces, and why even after P.O. and declining budgets governments would need to support having Naval forces.
Piracy has never gone away, and working against piracy is a long standing mission of a nation's Navy.
As stated today by the top Admiral:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=081117210253.5ytwrjh7&show_artic...
And as someone else has mentioned, private shippers are reluctant to highly arm their ships, nor do they employ private marines. There are some problems with doing so anyway - think about it - these ships are suppose to be non-combatants and sail into pretty much any port (that is physically able to receive them.) If you are a buyer-nation, do you want a ship full of armed men from a foreign country pulling into your ports, not knowing of whom that navy/army is composed?
Combating piracy takes resources away from other missions, thus the rise of piracy and combating it will impact other missions.
Given the increase is Islamic terrorist infiltration in that part of Africa, one also has to be concerned about the use of piracy for terrorist activities.