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From the Henry Waxman article: " Mr. Boucher has been a friend to the coal industry and hardly finds himself in a comfortable position now when his incoming boss supports a moratorium on coal-fired power."
The majority of Alberta's electricity is from coal-fired plants. We export some to the USA.
Given the recent news that electricity and gasoline use have slumped, it seems possible that the Democrats could get away with shutting down dirty coal, dirty oil, etcetera, for a while. The ecoonomic slump seems likely to last until at least 2010, so falling demand outpacing falling oil supplies will allow the Obama government the luxury of denying Peak Oil and getting away with it.
The problem, of course, is that once the economy recovers, so will the demand, and then where will they be? Green is wonderful, but it doesn't power all those air conditioners in southern USA, or keep the forced-air furnaces running in the northern states in winter.
If the Obama administration campaigns seriously against so-called dirty oil from the Alberta oilsands, they will probably get away with it for a while. We are still short of pipeline capacity across the Rockies to ship oil to China or India, but if there is no market in the USA, then the pipelines will be built.
Hah! They've got you fooled. The economy is not going to recover!
Seriously...I don't think Obama's really going to do much on the climate front. He'll have his hands full with the economy. He is clearly not expecting a recovery any time soon. It sounds to me like he's preparing the country for an economy that won't recover during his term.
Just imagine, on Friday afternoon the markets latched onto the rumor that Tim Geitner will be appointed treasury secretary, propelling the DJIA to a 7% run-up. The trivia allowed traders to disregard the impending implosion of the Big 3 automakers and Citigroup. The euphoria will surely be shortlived. Reality has a way of doing that. Geitner's appointment can't make those $1 trillion of Level 3 assets on Citibank's balance sheet somehow, magicaly go away; nor propel people to start buying gas guzzlers again.
Which leads us to the question: Where is homo economicus-- that rational, perfectly informed and self-interested actor who desires wealth, avoids unnecessary labor, and has the ability to make judgments towards those ends? He seems to have fled the scene, and without him, none of our regnant economic theories work.
But while our wise men--those lofty adherents to the Chicago School and Austrian School--can luxuriate in their ivory towers, other people must make do in the real world. CNN gives us a couple of poignant examples:
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2008/11/22/busch.man.brings.kids.to....
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2008/11/22/bolduan.freddie.mac.mortg...
Leanan, Being a Canadian I am naturally part of the group that lies Democrats more than the other guys. However I think Obama supporters have oversold him in their own minds. It is great for the USA that you have elected a minority president, however I think a lot of Obama suporters are attaching messianic qualities to him that he doesnt have. The group of people he is surrounding himself with seem like they are recruited from the temple not the countryside. I don't see a Peter or James or John there but a lot might be closer to the twelth guy. Personally I think he is more of a normal politician and may sprout some feet of clay someday, perhaps soon. He seems more like a populist pandering to the biases and desires of the majority as opposed to someone willing to lead that majority in the correct direction. At the same time his advisers and appointees seem to show he is serving the same gang of robber barons that the bush crowd served so well. Time will tell and perhaps what he does on free trade may be a litmus test of it. Backtracking on his position on free trade will indicate he is still serving the corporate globalization view. At the same time it seems a bail out of the USA auto companies will be a bit confusing since part of it will likely look like anti-free trade as I can't imagine giving those guys 25 billion and still have the Canadian and Mexican operations being any more than symbolic if that. However the bottom line for him is the bottom line. He won't have much money to achieve anything that people expect. Even if I am wrong about him (hopefully), he is soon goung to run out of capital, political and otherwisw to accomplish anything. America was not ready for FDR until the depression was well established. They are not yet ready for another FDR and if that is to be it will probably be the next guy.
Definitely. It's all Clinton retreads. He's even sending his kids to the same school Chelsea Clinton went to.
Yes, but to me it's not unexpected. That is clearly what he was, even during the primaries. I doubt he'd have been elected otherwise.
I am expecting Obama to be very conventional, despite the talk of change. Just the fact that he's black and relatively young is about as much change as the average American is ready to accept. He has to be very careful not to seem radical. More so than an old white guy.
It's another variation of "only Nixon could go to China."
It's like what was described in the book 'friendly fascism'. even IF obama was someone 'for the people', which is about as possible as being struck by lightning 5 times in a row in five consecutive steps. due to the system he has to appoint people fully invested in the political side of the elite class of this country so they would sabotage anything he would try to do for the people not in the elite caste of this country.
I think that the book "Friendly Fascism" was the most prescient analysis of US politics I've ever read.
There are some good online excerpts at "Third World Traveler"
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/Friendly_Fascism_BGross.html
US politics have been a matter of slow manipulation of the party system so that the people can choose between two fascist candidates, each appealing to different slices of the electorate.
How could it be otherwise?
"War is the only solution" for fascists. We are engaged in a single long war for full spectrum global dominance. The war will get dicier and more costly as time goes by.
Eventually, of course, the "victors" will inherit a bombed-out, depleted wasteland and toxic oceans which will be incapable of supporting human life.
Is there any chance that we can avoid such a scenario?
considering the times that the people have been given power in the political system and then turned around and given it up, i have come to the conclusion that while democracy is possible. since we are kind like herd animals we prefer less participatory systems.
Thus the greatness of George Washington. First command of the Army (many of whom wanted him as King), and then as the only unanimous US President after two terms.
Best Hopes for Pro Bono Publico,
Alan
you have to realize though, he did not do what he did for the common man. he did what he did so he and his upper class buddies were not under the thumb's of top dog elites.
The elite like to go with what works. Tony Blair worked well for them in the UK. So it's no surprise that a rash of young trendy Blair-like politicians and leaders have hit the scene since, dressed in whatever political colours best suit their respective countries.
Obama is just a vehicle to provide a veneer of public consent to the underlying policies of the elite.
The elite have been badly affected by the current crash and know things are going to get worse. They need to recover their wealth, power and position at the head of the table and Obama is the way they're going to do it. In the midst of a Depression its going to be very much of a zero sum game and their gain will be the middle and lower classes loss.
Obviously the losers will fight to keep what is theirs, so things might get a little rough as the elite appropriate what they want through the powers of the State.
I have come to the conclusion that the fall back position of all politicians and in fact TPTB in general is DEFER.
It gives one time to secure their objective and it is amazing how effective it is.
Obama represents the ultimate deferral candidate.
Even APEC bought into it. Indeed the world is on hold until Obama does...
In the imortal words of the current young generation,
whatever.
Obama has yet to say "I feel your pain."
He's no Clinton, thank $DEITY for small mercies.
I'm just hoping he's not another Bush.
The CNBC talking heads this morning seem to think he is. They are practically wetting their pants over the Geithner pick. They seem to think choosing Geithner means continuation of Bush policies. They are now hoping that the Obama administration will change its stance on taxing the rich, unions, and NAFTA, and come around to Bush's positions on those things, too.
It's unreal. They still think tax cuts are the solution to everything. If Obama signals today that the Bush tax cuts will stay, happy days are here again. If not, Great Depression II, here we come.
"It's all Clinton retreads."
that will be an improvement.
Ah, but there are many "Americas."
There is the "America" that is made up of the fat cats from Wall Street, who gave so generously to Obama. And there is the "America" composed of the whites in the middle, the lower middle class and the blue-collar people, who also opened their hearts and wallets to Obama. Obama's coalition is a coalition built on natural enemies.
Obama thinks he can have it both ways. He can't. The financial and business elite really are like Freddy Krueger. They seem to have this uncanny ability to come back from the dead, and they take no prisoners.
It's unfortunate that Obama has to re-invent the wheel, that he can't learn from FDR's experiences. It was the school of hard knocks that taught FDR the true nature of the "financial royalists". I of course have no window into Obama's heart of hearts. Perhaps he doesn't want to learn. If so, this will be a sad betrayal of the millions of hoi poloi who converged on his web site, who gave him their votes and small donations of $10 or $20 or $50.
FDR's first response, not unlike that of Obama, was to try to play ball with the corporate elite. They stabbed him in the back, and it was from these bitter experiences that he finally came to dub them the "economic royalists." Frederick Lewis Allen explains:
If Obama cannot resolve the conflict inherent in the coalition he has built, if he proves unable or unwilling to tackle some fundamental injustice in this country, if he just nibbles at the edges or strokes the symbolism, there will be a backlash. He will be a one-term president.
In this I am in agreement with Kevin Phillips:
I agree with a lot of what you say. The neocons are obliged to lower their profile right now and allow the "liberal" faction of the elite hold one of the reins. Both factions fear the "lower depths" (the rest of us), but Obama is likely to make at least some attempts at placating the masses. Should he incur excessive expenses (for the elite) in doing so, he'll find himself under sharp attack. At that point he either turns to the public and says get behind me in doing what we need to do (risking his butt) OR he caves (again risking his butt) and is one way or another gotten out of the way so that the "lower depths" can be properly dealt with.
But the FDR gambit is totally useless if based on the idea of returning to growth. Growth is gone, toast. The physical resources needed to permit it are in decline on all fronts. What's needed, nay, the only thing possible is a path toward radical retrenchment -- making those investments that allow us to live on a declining and much reduced budget of hydrocarbons and other resources, and one that stops (and reverses) further damage to our only real ultimate resources: soil, water, air, oceans, forests, etc.
But there is plenty to do in restructuring. We would not end up with more roads and bridges and heavy industry -- but we would end up with larger carless small towns close to agriculture and radically contracted suburbs with land returned to agriculture, parks and forest. Alas, there's no or little profit in any of this -- even though this is really the only place we can go and survive.
And of course looming in the background, just as it did with FDR, is war, which is but a variant of the growth option. But this time we'll be part of the Axis.
The easiest way to cut oil consumption in half is for Obama to come up with a new slogan, aimed directly at women. Maybe something catchy like "If OPEC's getting paid, you ain't getting laid honey!"
I reckon thats the root of the problem. If conservation and going green became sexy it would lead to drastic changes. Frugal is cool, waste is old school.
Leanan says;
Yeah, he's getting a limousine with five inch thick windows and ceramic armor.
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Build the pipelines Dale. Sell to the chinese or indians. Don't wait for the US to pull its head out of it's ass.
We here in the US have such an excess of energy coming from so many sources that we have the luxury of picking and choosing how we will starve or freeze our kids over the next few years/decades.
Let's raise our cup to toast Blind Green, which is replacing Blind Greed, (sort of.. the Truth is, when there are shortages, the rest of us will pay for it, while the the Obamas and Waxmans's of the world will still be warm and well fed).