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Re: Climate change gathers steam, say scientists
The part of the puzzle they may be missing is that the difference in albedo between the ocean and sea-ice may not be as large as often described. That's because the process of melting the sea-ice produces ponds of water on the surface, which has nowhere to go and which has a much lower albedo than sea-ice, especially sea-ice covered with fresh snow. There is evidence that the melting is being accentuated by warmer waters below, water which flows into the Arctic from the Pacific and Atlantic. These flows may not be well represented in the models used to date. Also, there seems to be an increase in the deposition of "black carbon" (or soot) particles on to the sea-ice, which tends to reduce the albedo early in the melt season. The burning of coal without emissions control in China hay have added to this soot deposition.
E. Swanson
you're telling us that we're dropping a hot knife on a very big piece of butter?
the soot will absorb more heat, melt the ice beneath and "sink" in
i'm more worried about the methane or co2 deposites trapped beneath permafrost. it's well known that the current rate of co2 accumulation will fry us in about 100 years, i can live with that. but if there is a chance that the methane will fry us faster, i want to know.
ps: "x is going faster / worse than predicted" is mother of all GW titles :)))
There seems to be a race on as to which environmental catastrophe finally takes down civilisation. The potential acidification of topsoil in Northern America and Europe due to nitrogen deposition also seems to be a building threat.
Acid Soils In Slovakia Tell Somber Tale
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081117153158.htm
Reminds me of the quote about civilisations leaving deserts in their wake.
It's time to dig out all those old copies of the book Dune to get some pointers about how to survive on the coming desertified planet. Bring on the Sand Worms!!
"Forests precede civilization and deserts follow." -- Francois Rene Chateaubriand (1768 - 1848)
"Forests precede us and deserts dog our heels." -- Derrick Jensen (1960 - )
Well how about this then?
A drop in oceanic zooplankton of 73 percent since 1960
Link
Weirdly, Defra included the graph showing this without further comment, and simultaneously indicated in the same graph on page 9 of their report that sustainable fishing was increasing:
http://www.defra.gov.uk/marine/pdf/mpp08-09.pdf
Good guess. This paper early this year seems to demonstrate the melt ponds have the impact you suggest (note: not free access). Next round of models probably will be trying to account for the effect. Soot reminds of me of Mars terraforming ideas.