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Gail said:"That said, coal does have problems"
Yep. It sure does. It takes a lot of power to mine coal. Lots of fuel.
It also destroys nature. Like soil and trees and of late whole mountains.
I mean one needed to take a auto trip to DC from Ky back in the 80s when they hadn't time to regrow the vegetation on those mountain tops and as we came closer and closer to those mountain(via Ky to WV then to Viginia...I kept asking those in the auto.
"What the hell is wrong with those mountains? There is no tops on them,they are totally bare!!"
No answers were forthcoming.From a distance we couldn't tell. I thought to myself "what fool or organization is tearing down mountains?"
Later I learned the truth. How bad was it? Very bad. Then more recently I read the books penned by Silas House. A native Kentuckian who was born and raised there. The onslaught against the people there was unbelievable as I read his fiction that was likely not a bad as the real truth.
So yes, we will actually remove a mountain top. Some of the most beautiful country on the planet. We will do it for why?
I went this friday to the cinema and watched the latest movie. The Day The Earth Stood Still. I remember seeing the original but the premise and plot of this version was far far different.
Keenau Reeves was telling the population of this planet"Its not YOUR planet, and we can't allow you to destroy it for there are not that many that can support life."
The Sec of Def(Kathy Bates) was furious. She tried everything before trying to understand that we were the enemy.
The movie is worth seeing just for those words. "Its not your planet"...meaning I think that other lifeforms had a right to this planet just as valid as ours. So they had sent planetary life rafts to save the other lifeforms.
I won't give the spoiler on how it ends.
So lets tear down those mountains. Poison the water. Shove the debrie down the mountain side. Rip the land to shreds so future generations will realize what ignorant rapacious utter fools we were to destroy the planet.
Its like saying 'non-negotiable lifestyle'. It means eventually we ALL die in mass because we decided to not negotiate?
Airdale-there is little hope and seeing that on the faces of the actors was amazing when the truth finally dawned on them.
I love flicks. Always have since the Drive-Ins of my youth. I sometimes find truth and reality hidden in the rest of it. The part beyond just entertainment. Its displaying our culture.
Airdale,
Ah yes, I can always spot a fellow Kentuckian or a West Virginian, the only people in America who seem to know that mountaintop removal blasting even exists.
Former Vice President Al Gore is astounding to me...the man who can go into fits of hysteria about every yard of arctic ice, but seems completely blind to what is happining in a border state of Tennessee to one of the most (formerly)beautifully diverse ecosystems in the world.
Unlike the constant theoretical debates about climate change and global warming, the blasting away of mountaintops and the destruction of ecological diversity is anything but theoretical. All you have to do is look at photographs of the region, both from the ground and from satellite, to see the constant march of the destruction.
Mountaintop removal blasting is a horrific crime, but hey, wind and solar has "low EROEI" doesn't it?...depending on who is doing the counting, and what all is included, and how you factor the life expectancy of the hardware, and developments in energy storage, and developments in solar panels wind rotors, and, and, and...your right, solar and wind are too much trouble, blow off another mountain.
RC
If Mr. Gore were to complain about mountaintop removal, someone might ask him why his administration (1993-2001) promoted it, kept it legal and got rid of the regional EPA administrator (former Congressman Peter Kostmayer) who tried to protect WV's environment from further ruin. Gore made great speeches as VP, but "forgot" to protect the environment when he was in a position to do so.
WTI toxic waste incinerator, East Liverpool, Ohio
SUVs instead of efficient cars
interstate highway expansion (TEA-21 law)
more oil drilling for northwest Alaska
energy deregulation (which led to Enron scam)
shredding of food safety laws (Delaney Clause)
genetically engineered phood
NAFTA and WTO
Option 9 old growth forest logging plan
to mention a few problems
Tennessee has mining, too.
The mining companies say, "it's mine. All mine."
check out
http://www.ilovemountains.org
http://www.oilempire.us/wti.html