Um - Gail is certainly no ecologist, but....product of the oil industry??? I assure you not!! (in fact there are only 3 of 25 on staff (Robert, Euan and Phil) that have ever even worked in oil industry -and none of them currently)

I stand corrected. I didn't necessarily mean that in literal terms but mostly was addressing her apparent bias toward the industry's interests.

her apparent bias toward the industry's interests.

Bias or realistic observation that, like it or not, what we see around us is from cheap fossil fuels.

Look at this comment:
I think wind and solar should be called fossil fuel extenders, rather than renewables. Without fossil fuels, they will come to a screeching halt.

Wind/Solar don't need FF. But, with the large number of people and their high demand level - the only way to satisfy that demand level is with FF.

As the FF goes bye-bye either the demand level will drop, the people level will drop or both.