Seems to me that their strategic goals are quite similar.

What if hybrid drives and regenerative braking were widely deployed? What if more trains were electrified? What if the expansion of electrified rail were coordinated with upgrading the national electrical grid? Having languished for so long, surely our passenger railroads are ripe for major improvements!

Phoenix is proud to open it's first 22 miles of electirfied light rail this weekend. There will be more to come.

Focusing on transport efficiency ignores the larger externalities, both pro and con. Infrastructure differences, durability, funding approaches, community layout aspects, housing impacts, and developmental focus are very significant.

If we didn't have roads between buildings, would we have covered sidewalks for inclement weather and sunny promenades for nice weather walking? Would we have a train station at the indoor malls and event centers? Would we have indoor parking for suburban park-and-rides? What would a suburban neighborhood look like without streets and driveways? How would you bring home a new TV or sofa, or a pool or fence? Would the notion of front-yards and back-yards change, with gravel alleys in the back versus curbed streets in the front?

Total cost and convenience seem to me to be the base factors for consideration, though changes to the status quo are important too. Of course many cost factors are invisible (what's the visibility of garage and driveway costs in an analysis of auto-lifestyle TCO?), and others are blurred (would I rather pay more taxes for a nice bus/train solution versus the monthly personal costs/savings in auto and insurance?).

What we need is some "planned societies" that provide workable examples of a transit-oriented lifestyle. Not just a vacation village somewhere, but a real working city with active construction, residential neighborhoods, manufacturing and warehouse districts, entertainment, professional workplaces, grocery stores, and shopping. Is there one in the first world with no personal car traffic at all?

Not cities, perhaps, (though Masdar City is a dream in a few minds) but there are several village-sized settlements that are pretty well self-contained. I agree that we badly need more emphasis on designing vehicular travel out of everyday life.

PT in PA

If one goes for minimized car use, rather than zero (more realistic IMHO, although I would like to some attempts at zero), the two best examples are New Orleans and New York City. And the lowest auto use districts in those two cities are Manhattan and the Lower Garden District (my neighborhood :-)

I live what a "low oil" lifestyle is like, coupled with a high quality of life. I could repeat the litany of nearby destinations and services, but I am not feeling well.

Best Hopes for Old Urbanism,

Alan

During my youth on one of my trips from Texas to New Orleans, I decided to ride on The Streetcar Named Desire. To my disappointment I discovered that it had become a bus line, though it did retain the name Desire. Does that bus line still exist?

I suggested to Alan that he call his presentation "A Desire Named Streetcars."

The Desire bus line was "suspended" post-Katrina.

I have done considerable work to recreate the Desire Streetcar Line (route a hybrod of Desire and St. Claude streetcars).

Best Hopes,

Alan