Hello VtPeaknik,

Just as FF-compnies are now curtailing new projects, I would be expecting eventually for the same to occur for I-NPK companies-- thus, at some point, I would also expect Peak I-NPK to occur. Obviously, O-NPK will then start ramping faster: we will again recycle human bones, by the untold billions, in a repeat of the earlier days of scavenging the battlefields and graveyards, then dead-heading this O-NPK home.

Since there are No Substitutes for the Elements NPK for leveraging photosynthesis above a Liebig Minimum: we can always cost-justify using depleting FF-energy for running wood chippers and grinding mills to reduce these 'immigrants' to powder for the final application to the desired topsoil square foot. Let's hope that the desperation for NPK doesn't impell some to inject still-living immigrants into the wood-chippers' powerful impellers.

My recent posting that pointed towards possible plateauing of I-NPK vs the rosy trendline projections for 2015 & 2030 is thus worthy of closer scrutiny, especially as the US becomes increasingly reliant upon I-NPK imports. Recall that I-NPK is nothing more than 'transformed energy' suitable for topsoil, but bereft of the benefits of O-NPK for better microbial life and water-retention.

In my 'wild & crazy' imagination: I sometimes picture NYC nearly totally abandoned by humans, but re-inhabited by untold billions of birds and bats roosting in the ruins. These species would be creating naturally-superphosphated guano in far greater quantities than the remaining I-NPK facilities. Their 'footprint' would also be magnitudes less than the 'ecological footprint' of the remaining I-NPK mines and factories.

Picture Wall Street transformed from a pointless center of finance to a real asset as a biophysical center for harvesting O-NPK guano. Will a future Wall Street tycoon be a bat & bird biologist? Please consider that as you hug your bag of NPK today.

Bob Shaw in Phx,Az Are Humans Smarter than Yeast?

I have a Troybilt "Super Tomahawk" wood chipper. I'd like to perform the experiment of running some roadkill thru it, to see how well it handles flesh & bone, but I'm afraid it would make quite a mess. I hate to try it with my own machine. Maybe I could rent one & try it. Wonder what the rental people would think when I returned it all gummed up with grease & blood..

What are all those birds & bats occupying abandoned skyscrapers supposed to eat, Bob? They can't all be carrion eating cathartids.

Watch the ending of "Fargo"

I learned during a composting workshop that chipper shredders are the recommended method for dealing with all the chickens to kill in case of a bird flu outbreak. You'd probably want to through in some wood during the process to balance C-N ratios for composting.

Hopefully we will have the wisdom to let our fishstock regrow so the seabirds can use this as the guano-generating source like the seabirds did for so long in Nauru and other offshore islands. With pesticide and herbicides outlawed [or Unobtainium]: there should be gazillions of bugs for bats. Let's hope these species don't go extinct, or is that too far-fetched?

I sure hope that all bats don't go extinct. I think that the larger, non-echolocating fruit bats will bite it but I'm hoping that at least some tropical clades of microchiropterans make it thru the anthropogenic mass extinction pulse. I often say that the Cenozoic is depauperate and biotically "boring" compared to the Mesozoic, but there are some wonderful exceptions to this trend and the bats are one of them, along with colubrid snakes, hummingbirds, and the great teleost radiation. On the other hand, most avialean clades & all pterosaurs went extinct at the end-Cretaceous and this extinction pulse will be at least that big. I hope that bats make it thru but wouldn't want to bet on it.

i think bats will make it. arn't the majority of mammal species either bat's or rats?

The cockroaches will survive in spite of all types of pesticides to try to eliminate them.