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With a big fiscal stimulus package in the works, I thought it would be interesting to propose some ideas of my own, mainly around energy efficiency:
http://truecost.wordpress.com/2008/12/19/stimulus-plan-ideas/
In particular, the US could help US air quality, decrease diesel use, and boost the US manufacturing sector, all by embarking a crash program to replace/convert all diesel school buses and transit buses to CNG. There are 400,000 school buses alone, and converting all of them would knock out 50,000+ bpd of diesel use. Converting all buses might double that figure. The best part is that this can be started immediately, as all of the technology and manufacturing processes are already in place.
Reverting to the one room school would almost eliminate the yellow bus elephant walk, Taj Mahal youth wharehouses, thousands of Parkinsons Law Administrators and by decentralised control actually cure ignorance instead of lowering all to the lowest common denominator.
School dist could by up forclosed homes and renovate them for schools and Moms could walk their kids to school again.
9 block districts like the old 9 sq mile districts in the country used to be with school in the center.
We are so far from that ideal... Here in Boulder we have "open enrollment" which means you can apply to have your kids go to a school far from home within the school district. Some of the most creative, wonderful schools are "open enrollment only" and attract families from all over the county. Driving my kids to our Waldorf-inspired public school I was spending about $150/month last spring. Public transportation was inconvenient for that particular 6 mile route. Biking with a 3, 6 and 8 year old was beyond my level of devotion.
By middle school (and even sooner), things begin to segregate along child ability/income lines and I would imagine that makes the system more resistant to change, although a law mandating a maximum achievement level gap between schools could do the system in.
Then again, if society collapses, chances are everything will become a lot more local. Some of the unemployed among us may teach each other's kids in informal ways - anywhere we find. In a first step, private school enrollment is down in places like San Francisco, intensifying the competition for the most popular public schools.
Schooling (6-13 or so) has to, and will, become more localised.
First, because travel and busing etc. will beome more difficult, or impossible. Second, because parents will want/need very local schooling, will go for community organisation, even only for safety etc. considerations.
Third, it is likely that State Corporatism, as is current in the US and France, China as well, but that is another can of worms, will come to a stop.
The US has a clumsy scheme with schools funded largely by local taxes, ie. it is class run; social advancement no longer exists, hasn't for a long time, and it has *bad* teachers, I say bad, as individuals they are not to be blamed, the teachers are trapped too.
France shows a different pattern of extreme centralization and rigidity also with ‘poor’ teachers. These systems will simply collapse and are doing so as I write.
The US today job-wise has a few growth, if one can even talk about ‘growth’ sectors: Education, health, Gvmt (military, weapons research, etc.) Education is the most visible, demands and funding grow. At the same time, ppl check out and leave.
and it has *bad* teachers, I say bad, as individuals they are not to be blamed, the teachers are trapped too
You contradict yourself, so it's hard to understand what you actually think of teachers in the US, but you are repeating unfounded scapegoating. As a teacher, let me tell you that most teachers are competent. They are not going to change the world, but they are competent. I know, because I talked to them every day for four years and watched them teach so I could become a better teacher (while teaching myself). Yes, the Bell Curve applies, but it applies to many (most?) things we do.
There is nothing wrong with teachers that strong communities and stronger parents won't fix. In fact, students who are motivated to learn (whether intrinsically or extrinsically), will. Period. It is **NOT** a teacher's job to teach your child values, diligence, hard work or beliefs. It is YOUR job.
Can we train teachers better? Of course. Are they the problem? Rarely. During my entire schooling K-12, I had exactly one truly bad teacher. He was the head football coach teaching math, and couldn't have possibly cared less. The rest were "normals", and I had exactly four teachers I thought excellent. But most were competent. That is, they did not **prevent** learning like the above math teacher did.
I am not uncritical of our schools or our teachers. A lot of them mail it in, and I am **not** a fan, but as a percentage, the numbers are low. Hell, even those mailing it in are mailing in what they were doing as a young, motivated teacher, so their work is actually not horrid.
What should be the case for training is that every new teacher have a mentor that they work closely with for years, not just a semester, and that not just being observed once or twice. But what they really need is funding, parents that give a damn and make their kids do their homework, and neighborhoods that are supportive, stable places where kids are raised to be responsible, participatory and motivated (allowing for kids being kids, of course.)
I've never even heard of, let alone read, a paper that attempted to nail down why American schools don't deliver. If you've some proof other than the repeated, un-sourced BS that teachers are the problem, please link it.
Cheers
Get upset when someone insults teachers but have no problem insulting parents and everyone else eh? :-)
This is undeniably true. It is also true that the educational establishment does not believe that.
I know of many exceptional teachers in our schools who take their jobs very seriously and for whom it is a true calling. That is not, however, the norm. We can blame a culture that doesn't value education as it should (and thus doesn't pay good teachers what they are worth), or we can blame the teachers unions... or any number of other things... but the simple truth is that we do not send our best and brightest back into our schools.
Of course there are exceptions (may their tribe increase!), but those who elect to major in education are close to the very bottom of the college barrel (in terms of grades and test scores). Those who graduate with education degrees have some of the very lowest GRE scores (second only to "public administration" IIRC).
Try Dumbing Us Down: The Hidden Curriculum of Compulsory Schooling and The Underground History of American Education by John Gatto. The second is viewable online at http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/index.htm
I think my take on teachers was pretty balanced. They are, by and large, competent. You have said no differently here.
Who is this establishment? I've met not one teacher that wanted the duty of raising your children. (My post was about teachers, no?) Teachers have to, which is not the same as want to.
As I stated...
We don't send anyone. It's a self-selecting group. And it matters not a whit. First, there simply aren't that many people who are the cream of the crop by definition, so expecting our schools to be filled with them is about as pie in the sky as we can get. And, you don't need the best as teachers. It has been my experience that, much like parenting, a single teacher of true excellence along the way can be enough to set a student on a particular course. Excellence is a moot point.
Sure. And? Hey, we used to make fun of the Ed. majors, too. And I was a psych major! But the fact is, the avg. person is capable of very competent work, and can build themselves into excellence. Many teachers do this. Face it, teaching isn't rocket science. It has more to do with managing a class than the actual act of teaching. Even a truly avg. IQ can handle a decent lesson plan and consistency with behavior modification, and that's 90% of a good teacher.
Guess you missed my reading comprehension class. I said paper.
;)
Trust me: when the kids in the school are going home to good homes and good communities, your teachers will look like geniuses. Then you'll actually find out who your bad teachers are, because the there will be no excuse for the avg. student to be relatively good. (I always think of the beautiful letters of Civil War soldiers when I think of how far our typical American intellect has fallen... So many of them must have been barely educated, but, lordy, what prose!)
Cheers
If it's "balanced" to say "the problem is the parents and communities".
They largely belong to teachers' unions. Ever read some of their positions? Ever review some of the case history of the fight (barely 2-3 decades old) for the right to homeschool? There is most definitely a position that government (through the schools) should play a central role in raising your children.
Sure. And when you double taxes on one fuel and subsidize another the people who switch are "self selected"... but that doesn't mean that we didn't push them there. Public policy plays a big role in who decides to go in to teaching.
Perhaps I didn't make my position clear enough. I'm not saying there are few "cream of the crop" teachers. I'm saying that a large percentage of them are of unacceptably poor quality but are protected by unions that defend incompetance.
Just demonstrating that our "best and brightest" are going somewhere else.
Yet is given no economic reason to do so even if "capable". There is little compensation (or even job security) difference between excellence and sub-par. So the return is the satisfaction of a job well done. People who respond to that generally excel in other areas too (like college performance).
I believe one of those books is made up of a number of individually published works, but I could be wrong. Regardless... can you disregard it simply by labeling it?
I agree... but all that demonstrates is that our teachers don't make a whit of difference in the main. Hardly worth the $10k/child/year we throw at the establishment... and one a key reasons we homeschool.
Barely institutionally educated... but that just proves my point. I could produce a pair of vocabulary lists... one from 100+ years ago in a 4th grade reader and the other from a recent SAT. The 4th grade reader is clearly the harder list (and of course the SAT gives you multiple-guess for answers).
That is not what I said. I said it is all three. Of course, there are other issues that you are attempting to expand my point into that are issues but that do not negate my point in any way. That is, you keep trying to discuss education while I made one point and one point only about what actually happens in the classroom. I think this is clear, so I don't understand why you persist.
That I choose not to bring up or discuss ALL the issues in American education does not tell *you* anything about my positions on them. I am well aware of the effects of unions, of the No Child Left Behind policy, funding and how it is done, the number of students per class, top down management, home schooling, tech in the classroom, etc., etc., etc., but I am not interested in discussing education. Feel free to take it up with those in this thread that are.
Your bias is clear: blame the teacher. It is a foolish stance. (Go ahead and construe that to mean we disagree on all the points you raise. I suppose it would surprise you to know you are largely preaching to the choir, but you have an agenda and are not listening.)
My point stands. I have laid out the logic, and it is based on long years of experience as a teacher, as a student, as a person actively involved in professional development and, finally, as a teacher trainer. Additionally, having taught in US public schools and in foreign public schools, I suspect my perspective is far broader than your perspective.
Teachers' skills are not *the* problem, nor one of the primary problems. Disagree? OK. Take it up with those that think there's some use in discussing it, but know you are barking up a tree and doing nothing more than repeating boring, old, pointless and useless canards.
As for the books: not available where I am.
Cheers
This kills me - it's one of my worst nightmares. I like your scenario and that is exactly one of the options I would like to see at least considered for my community.
Our locale voted in favor (just barely) last month to build a brand-spanking new, giant white elementary-ed elephant on the outskirts of town.
Why ??? Because it would fit in nicely with bussing routes to the new HS white elephant, a mile or two away, and also on the outskirts of town. This is "normal!" and "Common sense!" I am told.
On the bright side, they could act as "SuperDomes" during a crisis...
Same all over. Astoria school district just about killed the schools with their consolidation and bussing schemes. The people fought it, but the administration won, as usual. Now, they can't afford the busses, and the kids are spending 2-3 hours on busses in some cases, everyone is cranky.
One room schools produced some of our brightest people. Back to the future, I say.
Proper use of the internet for the creation of decentralized structures for education and manufacturing (you can send instruction, and specs around over the web) would take care of the need for bussing and transportation.
It can be done by getting the school administrators to realize that they can, uh, control and command the work to be done without having to bear any of the costs.
This sneaky way of manipulating the administrators is easily accomplished by letting them keep their administration budget while jettisoning the physical plant budget, for a lower total budget cost.
We eliminate all costs of the fixed location, land acquisition costs (and recurring costs such as taxes taxes,) fixed cost physical plant, the school buildings, the custodial staff, the building maintenance and (and recurring costs like upkeep and supplies,) in one fell swoop.
The cost is negative and therefore beneficial to the school, the community and the student body.
A combination of podcasting and tiered access (free but uncredited and unsupported; cheap with email support; full cost credited with teachers using tele-presence technology for submitting papers and a bi- ,or tri-annual trip taking tests,) would result in a better educated populace.
There are two things to consider. The student environment and the teaching environment.
The student environment: You probably have space in your home now to operate virtual learning. If you need to standardize equipment beyond a web browser and web cam, the OLPC (One Laptop Per Child) initiative can come to the rescue and provide a single platform for support.
The teaching environment: One high-powered fiber internet connection. If teachers want/need to actually see the students and teachers have/need to have them see them, web cams on the students' OLPCs and a high-def web cam on the teachers' apparatus
We have not done away with the need for class rooms entirely, but we have been able to time and place shift them so that occasionally using a single unspecialized, non-purpose-specific large hall would be acceptable. (Building a congregation hall where students and teachers can gather twice or three times a year for testing purposes, and which can be used by anyone else for other events such as sports etcetera, would be an adequate way to spread the costs of maintaining such a cubic space event hall.)
I thought the point of schools was a a key component of the sanity of the stay-at-home parent (restricted school hours (8-3) do not work very well for households with two earners, anyway, though they do take care of a good portion of the 8-5 problem) ; >
we can debate whether the internet consumes too much energy, but nobody can deny that the internet requires "always-on" energy. anything that depends on the internet is useless in a brown-out or a blackout. i think most of us can agree that we can expect a lot of those as energy production winds down.
the internet also depends on cheap networking gizmos made in china, full of copper and extremely pure silicon, etc. i doubt those will be available forever, either.
Well, I don't know, my power has been out since about 5:00pm. Phone lines are down as well. We're under a "Blizzard Warning" up here and it's howling. If they have any sense the power company has pulled the trucks off the road for safety, Whiteout conditions, and windchill around 7 above and expected to get worse before it gets better. Expecting thunder snow as well. Getting to be a weekly thing up here, just barely got some folks back on after the ice storm.
My internet is just fine, Sat modem draws 20 watts, dell laptop configured for long run times. Very kewl how the LCD cuts back when not on plugin power. Battery bank had a week to top off after the ice storm. Throw another log on the fire, pour a Jim Beam, and see what's happening at TOD. It all depends on how you plan.
I'm not really looking forward to the cleanup though.
Cheers
Don in Maine
Here in central NH, we got a foot of snow Fri/Sat, and another foot today. The wind is just now starting to crank up. We got creamed in the ice storm, and good honest snow is a relief. Power still on for the time being, but it doesn't matter - we lose power all the time, and we're used to it. Plenty of wood for the woodstove, plenty of water put by for when the pump doesn't work. Lots of candles.
But lots of digging out for tomorrow...
Got that right sgage, cold enough so it shouldn't be too hard to shovel, at least hopefully, blowing pretty good here now. Classic nor-easter, I always chuckle when I see the white line up the north east side of the trees. I just love that. Right now I can only see one tree that is close to the house, everything else is white. Good healthy weather is so much fun. Hunker down and have a good night.
Don in Maine
Hi Don,
I trust the worst will be soon over for you. Our winds are starting to pick up and are forecast to reach 100 to 120 kph overnight (currently ESE at
5078 kph, gusting to6396). The snow which had been coming down steadily all evening is now turning to freezing rain as temperatures continue to rise, and our lights are flickering from time to time, perhaps foreshadowing what is yet to come (we have a backup generator and can operate our boiler on emergency power if it should come to that, so I'm not overly concerned at the moment).Update: Environment Canada's severe weather warning tells us "[s]uete winds are forecast to occur early Monday with gust up to 150 km/h likely." Power is also becoming more tenuous by the minute.... might be time to duck under the covers.
Cheers,
Paul
Hi Paul, I actually enjoy weather extremes,not complaining at all. Goes with the turf. I suspect you know the feeling as well. Sitting inside something you designed and built,while all holy heck breaks loose, always quite a rush. I've got the old freight train winds right now. Doing your planning well, as I do know you do, is sublime. Grin.
BTW love the heat pump info, not really an option for me when I started, so I ended up going a little lower tech. Not really enough solar or wind to drive one here and I choose to plan for not having the grid eventually. State of the art was not quite the same 30 years ago. Chuckle.
Always enjoy your posts!
Cheers back at ya.
Don in Maine
Thanks, Don; much appreciated. It was a truly wild night with fallen trees and tree limbs scattered everywhere. As expected, we, along with 100,000 other Nova Scotians, lost power. Ed and I have been checking in on our neighbours, supplying them with hot tea and grilled cheese sandwiches and extending an open invitation to come stay with us. No one is quite ready to abandon their homes as yet, but with winds still in excess of 100 kph and temperatures holding at -5C, they're starting to get uncomfortable (there's one elderly couple we're going to forcefully evict, as they're fiercely independent and lovingly stubborn, but lack any means to stay warm). We're running the boiler on secondary power one hour at a time to conserve generator fuel, just in case we're in this for the long haul, but we can always switch over to the propane fireplaces, if need be.
Cheers,
Paul
But you can improve your football team's chances with a big high-school. That's the whole reason they don't split up high-schools here. Of course smaller schools would let more kids play and fewer just watch, and you'd have more nearby teams to play as well. This has long been a pet peeve of mine.
Of course you also get better depth and breadth on advanced/gifted classes and special ed as well, plus more electives. Those all become "wants" not "needs" when time get harder I guess.
Praveen,
Fiscal stimulus looks good on paper. The question is, does it work? You write on your site:
.
True enough. But most economists might be mistaken. At any rate Tyler Cowen at Marginal Revolution would agree to differ. Cowen writes:
http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2008/12/fiscal-poli...
That's the $64000 question. If Obama, like all US presidents, reverts to type, this 'stimulus' is going to get the pork-barrel treatment -- business as usual, and overindebtedness 'cured' with yet more overindebtedness.
Look forward to lots of moolah going up in smoke on such projects as bioethanol promotion.
The next 4 years will be like a kid going to the old county fair. He leaves with 5 dollars and comes home with a white ribbon in his pocket and a 5 cent dish.
It is hard fo find a credit crisis that has been resolved by fiscal stimulus. By credit crisis, that is one that has its roots in the solvency of the entire system, rather than a money panic caused by one or two failed institutions.
An example of a money panic caused by a bank failure would be the Panic of 1907 which was rooted in the failure of the Knickerbocker Trust Co. A brief outline of this crisis can be found here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1907
The United Stated did not have a central bank at the time; financier J. P. Morgan along with the Treasury Department and a number of other large banks pooled reserves and supported the weakest banks, many of whom had speculated in stocks of dubious companies. Stimulus was not an issue in that damage was largely confined to the banking sector.
When the current crisis began last summer, it appeared to casual observers that the problems would also be confined to the banks, the mortgage business of banks, specifically. Because of the decline of real estate prices in the US and the resulting loss of collateral (paper) wealth, the Congress voted a $150 billion stimulus package in the form of $600 tax rebates.
It was clear to some participants at that time that economic conditions were beyond the matter of confidence in the banking and finance sectors; the context was of sharp reductions in bank lending rates by the Federal Reserve and large injections of liquidity. Previous post- war money panics did not require stimulus; the 'Savings and Loan Crisis' required the takeover of many home loan banks at an estimated cost of $500 billion to the taxpayer, but this was more of an administrative requirement to facilitate the servicing of loans for still- valuable real estate assets rather than an outright need to support the economy as a whole. Similar rate cutting and liquidity maneuvers were sufficient to quell panic during the 'Dot Com' and oil- related crises post- 1975.
The track record for stimulus where it has been called for is poor. Japan spent a large part of its GDP to support its economy after the real estate and stock related crash beginning in 1990. It built miles of highways to nowhere and bridges, overpasses and other public works and remained mired in deflationary recession for ten years. Stimulus strategies in this country beginning in 1930 failed to reduce unemployment below 14 percent for any period during that recession and was generally much higher. Other tactics such as currency devaluation and 'going off gold' also failed. Many persons feel that the war years marked the end of the Great Depression; the US had a command economy. The government controlled wages (making them higher to ensure a content and productive workforce - making wartime goods) and prices. Resource- based goods were rationed. Persons with property that could be easily confiscated were imprisoned in concentration camps, which served to instruct others of the seriousness of the scheme.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment
It is hard to see where stimulus had any effect on any solvency crisis as it is simply a rearrangment of worthless- or near worthless assets. The government does not possess any source of wealth distinct from that which is in circulation. In a solvency crisis, it is the worth of the currency itself - or its substitutes such as credit - that is questioned, not the availability of it.
The next step in 'our' crisis is a monetary collapse/default. After that will come the command economy. Be watchful as command economies are often accompanied by concentration camps and property confiscation. The government will require both wealth and obedience. After the command economy fails (which all do, eventually) there will arrive either a hard- currency regime or chaos.
The solution to this crisis is to put more valuable money into the pockets of working people - who are actually productive, give them safe places to invest and to allow a reasonable return on those investments. All else is folly ...
nice post & history review; even though i am betting some[ i might would take that bet back but it was down 70% so i leave it] on one more bubble/inflation- commodities- & then financial collapse/war/command economy.
At the level of indebtedness/stimulus proposed and in- process either inflation or deflation will be fatal. Inflationary pressure from liquidity that equals a third or more of GDP would make the (dangerous) inflation of the late 1970's child's play. That annual inflation was on the level of 8 - 12 pct with wages increasing 7 - 9 pct. There is a good paper on this period:
http://econ161.berkeley.edu/Econ_Articles/theinflationofthes.html
What has been suggested is more along the lines of this:
http://www.brazilbrazil.com/inflat.html
This was caused by a large flow of investment capital into Brasil which makes this form or monetary inflation similar to that experience by Saudi Arabia and Kuwait earlier this year.
Another version is what happened in the Weimar Republic in the 1920's:
This latter episode was not caused by in influx of foreign exchange but rather a weak government trying desperately to maintain employment to avoid a takeover by Communists. It printed money because nobody told it to stop doing so.
The common element to all inflationary scenarios is rising wages. This will not happen in the US because of anti- worker bias both in government and in private business. Business is blind both to the need for customers with means and for non- fiat investment funds. Both are only obtained from a highly- paid middle class. Cheap credit from the Fed and the reliance upon it by the investment community has been the greatest cause of the current credit debacle. Another component has been deficit spending by the government. So, kiddies ... what is the prescription for solving the crisis caused by cheap credit and overspending by the government?
As for stimulus, there is another good article about the current situation:
This psychology is realistic. Only idiots are optimists at this point, another deflation indicator since in bear markets the bears are right!
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/weekinreview/21uchitelle.html?hp
Steve,
I was about to cite Brad DeLong too, but you got there first. Full marks to you.
Carolus, I think he gets cited here a lot along with Mike Shedlock and Doug Noland.
It would be nice if these people had the ear of the incoming Administration. I don't think the current situation is dire enough. The old dinosaurs still command too much 'unearned credibility'.
Paul Krugman was on the radio on Thursday speaking before the National Press Club, (heard on C-Span) making his pitch for a big stimulus package. Nobody asked Mr. Krugman any tough questions such as, "How exactly will any stimulus work?" or "How will the US avoid bankruptcy?" The bulk of Krugman's had so many hedges and modifiers as to be useless. I think stimulus is 'easy policy' since the alternatives require confronting the objections of the political class's supporters.
It makes me wanna beat my head against a wall or something ...
Others share your frustration. You might be interested in Ilargi's latest post over at TAE: The Last of the Affluent, the Carefree and the Innocent. It's one of his best.
It is nicely written, as always. I certainly agree that transparency is crucial. The idea that limited liability companies should have the privacy rights of individuals is insane. The price of limited liability should be substantial transparency. But the way he (and Mish) talk about money as if it was real stuff makes it all incomprehensible to me. What does he want to see happen in terms of how real assets are deployed and in terms of what work people actually do? It seems clear to me that we are in a period when there is still enough cheap energy to build substantial new infrastructure, if we can only make a rational decision about what infrastructure to build.
Ariz. police say they are prepared as War College warns military must prep for unrest; IMF warns of economic riots
http://phoenix.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2008/12/15/daily34.html
International Monetary Fund Managing Director Dominique Strauss-Kahn warned Wednesday of economy-related riots and unrest in various global markets if the financial crisis is not addressed and lower-income households are hurt by credit constraints and rising unemployment.
U.S. Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., and U.S. Rep. Brad Sherman, D-Calif., both said U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson brought up a worst-case scenario as he pushed for the Wall Street bailout in September. Paulson, former Goldman Sachs CEO, said that might even require a declaration of martial law, the two noted.
Is this comedy or what? This is more of the disconnect from reality that makes we wonder how these people get these jobs in the first place. Don't you have to pass a test to become Treasury Secretary?
There is a strange dichotomy in the country right this second; there are millions of people preparing fot the inauguration and trying to find a happy place for themselves in the center of it. There are millions upon millions more sitting down with their families and friends discussing the most likely road for the country and doing so in a very fearful and serious way.
Left hand ... right hand.
CNG buses have a proven, and VERY poor record, as transit buses.
Maintenance costs over double diesels (I have been told at APTA meetings) and MTBF of less than a third for diesels.
Why not spend the money instead on Urban Rail ?
http://www.lightrailnow.org/features/f_lrt_2007-04a.htm
Best Hopes for Electrified Rail,
Alan
Odd, the local biogas buses seems to do ok.
I did not realize the RMA (Reliability, Maintainability, and Availability) issues with CNG buses.
What about smaller electric buses? It seems that this would obviate the expense of the rail infrastructure and would provide more flexibility for changing routes with the ebb and flow of demand.
Why not forget busses and centralized schooling? Let us return to neighborhood schools. Consolidation of schools and bussing of kids has produced social problems, increased general ignorance, removed parents from participation in education, increased costs, decreased school effectiveness, and made lots and lots of money for administrators, bus companies and construction companies.
Bigger is not better.
Hi Alan ~
Here in rural Oklahoma we (and by "we," I mean my family) are brainstorming on this "Obama infrastructure thing." I mean, here we are in this town that measures six blocks by six blocks, population two hundred fifty one souls. We have a public school, built in 1926, that is in real jeopardy due to diminishing student enrollment. I doubt that a rail system would help. What's a poor farm community to do?
I put this question not necessarily to just Alan, but to the TOD thinkers at large. How can small rural areas best make use of the coming "public works program?"
I am packing ATM and doing one last addictive check on TOD. I will think about what you said.
Please repeat after 25th.
Best Hopes for Peace on Earth and Good Will towards Men and Women,
Alan
Alan ~
Best holiday wishes for you and yours. I'll get back to you :)
Hey Misfit;
It's a great question, as Maine also considers and acts on a new burst of school district consolidation, to save on Admin. costs among other things. Small Towns which were once Mill, Textile or Forest Products based will be forced to devise a new livelihood first, and then I think there will be more answers available regarding schooling.
It makes me wonder if there isn't a good model using some Homeschooling approaches, some of the classic 'One-room Schoolhouse', and some "Tele-learning", where students can access more specialized topics through Internet/TV/Radio.
I used to hear that isolated towns and farms in the Australian Outback had used TV-classrooms to have some connection with Educational sources. Anyone know how that actually played out 'on the ground'?
Bob
Hey there Jokuhl ~
I was talking to my nephew (he's the president of the school board) about this, and he fears the worst. Just as you said, the school districts will likely consolidate to cut costs. This will necessitate more bussing, larger classrooms, and will accelerate the degradation of smaller rural communities. I think this will be counterproductive in the long term.
On the bright side, Obama has expressed interest in helping the education system. My fingers are crossed...
Australia has had Distance Education for many years.It is the only way to educate kids in remote areas without using expensive home tutoring or sending the youngsters to boarding school - cruel and expensive.Kids with behaviour problems in normal schools are also eligible.
The various Distance Education facilities in each state are subsidized by government.In the early days 2 way radio was used and telephone where available.
The advent of the Internet,wireless and satellite broadband has opened up new ways for student/teacher,student/student,parent/teacher interaction.It is possible to go to year 12 in this system.
BTW,Australia has also fallen into the trap of closing small primary schools,often against community wishes,and transporting children long distances.Common for some kids to spend hours in the bus each day.
A lot of the centralized schools,particularly high schools(often over 1000 students) are so large as to be unwieldy and impersonal.Just a breeding ground for social problems.
Here's hoping for less factory type education.
I don't have an answer, but maybe we should think about the economic reasons for having small (or large) towns. In the case of a large number of distributed small towns I think the answer was that a significant part of the economy was supported by economic production that was distributed somewhat evenly across a lot of land (farming and ranching mainly). Technology has been decreasing the number of employees needed to operate our agricultural infrastructure (particularly the distributed parts of it (farms). Network effects, and economies of scale for many sorts of enterprises have favored large concentrations of population, cities. On this basis, I think that the survival of anything like the historical density of small towns requires an increase in the workforce that must be distributed throughout the country.
I can think of a few things that might help a little, but I doubt they are manpower instensive enough to completely stem the tide. Distributed renewable energy (wind farms, solar power stations, biomass collection and conversion to energy/product) come to mind as one way to partially accomplish this. Changing modern farming to make it more sustainable, which implies fewer external inputs (such as fossil fuels, and chemical fertilizers) might also increase the number of jobs per square mile of agricultural land. But, this is not something that can be easily answered by a blog commentator, more intensive study by rural residents and economists would probably be required.
Best hopes for foot powered rail
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/world/6174588.html

Thxs for this info. Too bad they can't even afford to pedalize these rail contraptions: it would be a more efficient use of human calories... and now they are being totally forced off using the tracks. In comparision, the Cambodian bamboo railway is much more advanced.
How efficient is NG vs Diesel? For instance, if a bus gets five miles from 130,000 btus of diesel, how far will it get on 130,000 btus of nat gas?
If you use nat gas in a diesel engine with enough disel fuel to light the fire, the miles will be about the same. The primary parameter in compressionn engine efficiency is the compression ratio. Diesel engine comversions to natural gas are available.
The use of natural gas as a transportation fuel is a "no brainer". It is domestic and plentiful. T Boone has it RIGHT.
phxron,
Have you read user Rockman's cautions ?
Could problems using NG as fuel be because we just don't have enough experience with it, and all the parts and syetems have been optimized for diesel just won't work well with it? Would an engine and supporting systems designed from scratch to burn NG do much better? Of course is the answer is yes, that might mean that trying to fuel switch existing trucks, and buses doeesn't make sense.
Way back when, the 50's and 60's we ran most of our tractors on LPG and the local gas utility ran all their pickups and a large part of their car fleet on natural gas. The set ups on gasoline engines was pretty much the same for the two. A large, heavy pressure tank in cars located in the trunk to take the place of a gas tank and the same in the bed of the pickup truck-taking the place of the tool box you see in many pickups. Benefits were pretty much the same, extremely clean burning fuel. Fewer oil changes, spark plugs were never fouled and lasted long times. The life of engines increased dramatically. The trade offs were less power and fewer miles per gallon plus the cost of conversion not to mention a trunk that lost most of its usefulness. Filling up a NG or LPG tank isn't a simple or particularly easy thing with heavy high pressure hoses and quick couples that require more than a bit of strength and skill to engage. In those days both NG & LPG were so cheap that when filling we would vent the tanks to the atmosphere; a practice that the EPA would not allow today, which would necessitate and extra return line of high pressure hoses.
On the farm we also purchased tractors that were designed for LPG/NG from the get go and if there were a large enough market I would imagine auto makers would oblige. Hope this helps.
One other thing, I can't see NG/LPG ever taking the place of diesel trucks as it lacks the BTU's to give the low end torque and MPG's that diesel provides.
How much do we use now? How much would we use if we ran, say, 30% of our trucks, buses, and farm tractors on it.
Anyone?
You wouldn't need the expensive lightweight carbon fibre tanks on a farm tractor. However a crunchy incident at 3000 psi (220 bar) wouldn't be good as the shark in Jaws found out.
Furthermore I predict that after wasting billions of the bailout money on PHEVS auto makers will find people want the range and roominess of NG cars. Within the GM stable the Opel Zafira turbo CNG looks more appealing than the unproven Volt.