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I find it the pinnacle of nitpicking to assume that $1.85/month more for clean power is somehow a unbearable burden. Calling it a 140 increase is attempting to make it look bigger than it really is.
So large industrial customers might have to pay $200/month more? Take that drop in the bucket out of the millions of $ in excessive overcompensation to upper management and stop whining.
Your article stated "Wind power developers could easily time the addition of still more wind power capacity in the region to match the expansion of transmission capacity."
I'm afraid I agree with Steven Chu, "Coal is very, very bad" and support every effort to help break our addiction to it.
It obvious you are not a small business man. One small business man, who operates camping grounds and marinas in Arizona has over a hundred meters. He estimates a two to five thousand dollar increase in his utility bill. It is also obvious that you never ran a number of large irrigation pumps, either. (Actually large or small, numbers count here.) Also, I think you would be hard pressed to find one large customer with just one meter that pays the minimum increase of $200. So you are all for taking money from tax payers to subsidize a production that doesn't have a market? Then I guess you are all for the bailout of GM & Chrysler.
http://phoenix.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2008/12/15/daily64.html
Arizona doesn't have wind. Arizona public service corp. is building a solar plant but it is unclear whether there is an correlation between that and the 4% rate increase.
One tiny outlier should never be the deciding factor when thinking of the choices to take that affects millions of people. Irrigation pumps in the desert? There's a business with a future.
And I do run a small business.
They recharge the aquifers with waste water and Colorado river water. It's illegal to do toilet to tap around here but if you pump water into the ground and back out again, then it is ok.
If this marina/campground has 100 meters, then they are probably metering power to their tenants rather than including it in the site rental fee. I'd also bet that these meters don't belong to the power company, but to the park itself for the purpose above, and aren't subject to the power company's meter fee. That's the way the RV park we live in part time operates. We pay a $2/mo meter fee plus the power we use at the park's business rate directly to the park, not the power company. The $2/mo meter fee is to amortize the cost of the meters over time.
Go over to the Coyote Blog and ask the man; he answers Email.
I doubt if that is enough. The typical ankle-biting small businessperson - to use Joe Bageant's term - is getting away with murder. No, we don't need more of them. And no, we don't need the big auto companies. What we need is to get rid of all those resource suckers. Get rid of the camping grounds. Get rid of the marina. And we probably need to get rid of those irrigation pumps too - odds are they are sucking some glacial epoch water supply.
Business. We need to get rid of business. At least as something separate and above society.
cfm in Gray, ME
puhkawn,
Your concern for the small business owners sounds valid and sincere. I was once a business owner myself and can attest to "the law of unintended consequences."
However, we wouldn't want to throw renewables out the window due to the way utilities currently bill if there were some other reasonable solution. Is there the possibility of metering reform of some type that could overcome this problem?
In a way, one can see how it would be to the utilities advantage to stick in as many meters as possble, and then bill the business owner for any and all changes "per meter". The utilities would then have veto power over any attempt at renewables right from the start if this is allowed. It is for this reason that some businesses in the U.S. are going off grid, even if they have to pay a bit more for fuel, because the tacked on fees and expenses of dealing with the electric utility simply become more than the business owner wants to or is able to bear.
RC
I am retired and was a small business man my entire life. For health reasons I spent a goodly number of years in Arizona. I think wind generated electricity is fine. I am against market distorting mandates and anything that exist solely to receive a government handout. (Rent seeking.) If you do subsidize wind generated electricity then it should be a packaged deal including the infrastructure to sell the electricity produced. Sort of seems like a no brainer, huh? Subsidizing hundreds of wind powered generators that lack the infrastructure to sell the generated electricity is not solving the "energy crisis" it is, however, a terrible allocation of taxpayers money.
You might be interested in seing the latest ad lampooning clean coal by the "we can solve it" group,
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=pKC5YV2yrFk&feature=channel
There's still plenty of money being spent by coal to convince people that it's OK:-(
They view climate change as a very serious threat to their business, so they're going all out to confuse people.