I noticed something very odd this Christmas season.

I was driving up to St. Louis to visit my mother on Christmas Eve. I went thru parts of the outer areas that were mostly filled with massive shopping malls and strip malls galore.

I went to Dago Hill to buy some italian staples. I then drove back south to Cape Girardeau, a college city in Mo.

I ate Christmas dinner at a Ryans , did some shopping,drove around and then returned to my homeplace.

Not ONCE did I see a lot selling Christmas trees!!!!

Used to be there were plenty of them so families could put up a real tree. Now none. Well maybe somewhere there was but none that I could see.

I think its an idea or practice that has become moot. All plastic trees now and few of them.

This has been a very different Christmas from what I observe. Its seems we have lost a great deal of the spirit that once was a huge part of the season.

I also saw no creches. I saw no Santas. I saw some lights decorating houses but not like in the past.

It was to me a very somber Christmas at that. I am afraid it shows that we are suddenly starting as a nation to take the recent events very seriously. I was amazed.

Airdale

I didn't get the impression that Leanan recieved any pix of Audacious lighting displays, either. Though I'm sure they are out there. The wind has gone out of a lot of sails, right now.

We have a real tree from the woods, not purchased, and it's kind of a Charlie Brown tree. I'm fairly sure that the ornaments weigh more than the wood.

Maybe I'm in a pollyana phase, but I think people are going to be in a state of rediscovering the essentials in events like Christmas, paring away all sorts of extras.

On our freecycle list this year, a lot of people were shedding off their oversized Artificial Xmas trees.

Best hopes for a real Rebirth,
and Happy New Year!

Bob

Pollyanna phase, no doubt. Don't overestimate people response. Imagine the worst, the reality will be probably even a bit worse than that.

That does not apply if you are as pessimistic as memmel, but for the rest of us it is a safe rule.

Deep in my soul, I have a Pollyana wolf and a Doomer wolf, and they are in a lifelong struggle. Both are powerful, and each dog has their good days and bad.

Actually, as I look closer, it seems that the pollyana is a toy poodle, but boy, can she run! (and she fights dirty, by undermining the Doomer-wolf's will to fight, distracting him with dumb jokes, sentimental songs- and showing up with heaping plates of food. What's a pessimist to do when there's food on the table?)

Bob

Someday we'll find it
The rainbow connection
The lovers, the dreamers and me

La la la le la la loo
La la la la le la la loo

Actually, as I look closer, it seems that the pollyana is a toy poodle, but boy, can she run! (and she fights dirty, by undermining the Doomer-wolf's will to fight, distracting him with dumb jokes, sentimental songs- and showing up with heaping plates of food. What's a pessimist to do when there's food on the table?)

That's Coyote - not a toy poodle. While not exactly evil, Coyote can't be trusted either. But Coyote might have a bit of soft-heart towards humans, being involved one or another with their creation.
http://www.ilhawaii.net/~stony/lore47.html

BTW, I'm pretty sure that its Coyote's farts that cause Global Warming.

Poodle might be a trickster, Like Coyote or Crow.. but I don't think the fit is very good.

Nice Snark, though!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coyote_(mythology)

Homologues

Coyote has been compared to both the Scandinavian Loki, and also Prometheus, who shared with Coyote the trick of having stolen fire from the gods as a gift for mankind. Similarities can also be drawn with another trickster, the Polynesian demigod Māui, who also stole fire for mankind and introduced death to the world.

Claude Lévi-Strauss, French anthropologist proposed a structuralist theory that suggests that Coyote and Crow obtained mythic status because they are mediator animals between life and death.[8]

Bob

Actually, I don't know how I missed it.

My Pollyana dog-god might actually be a Beagle.. considering the origin of my TOD Handle.

Not always the most literal or practical, but Snoopy is a survivor, despite all the prognostications of defeat. Happiness is still a warm puppy..

as the old saying goes.. 'Everything is character'

Airdale - Here in the land of the Xmas tree I have talked to several tree farmers I know and they all said that demand was way down. They then smile and say all that means is they will have more inventory of BIGGER trees for next year so the will really cash in then. Yee Haw!

I walk around the neighborhood and see very few houses done up with lights and all. The houses with lights usually have overflowing garbage cans with packaging and wrappers, houses without lights do not.

We noticed that trees seemed a lot more expensive this year, so we bought a smaller one. We put up the same number of lights, I guess - my wife seems to have collected light strings before we were married (usually bought them on deep discount in Jan), and we really only used half of what we could have put up.

My wife and I asked my mother to give a donation to a food pantry instead of buying us some stuff that we don't really need.

Happy New Year Airdale...

I noticed a couple of days ago that the comments rating system was gone so I decided to log in. The system was FUBAR from day one, as I pointed out numerous times, but it was like attempting to talk to government bureaucrats.

Congatulations to whoever had enough sense to rid this board of that idiocy.

The new year has indeed arrived and the prediction that I made long ago, that the presidential election would be about the economy, has indeed come to pass. Of course that prediction was thourghly downrated. :)

I also predicted that in the coming environment of frugality that the technogeeks would play hell finding funding for their crude oil replacements. Also downrated but right again. :)

I said that oil at $146 was a bubble and promptly shorted it and made a bundle. Downrated but right again. :)

I could continue but will leave you with this thought...Rarely have I made money taking my own financial advice. :)

I hope you have all made appropriate preparations for the new year because 2009 is going to make 2008 look like a walk in the park.

Congatulations to whoever had enough sense to rid this board of that idiocy.

That would be no one. :-)

The ratings system is temporarily down because SuperG did a massive upgrade on Christmas Eve and had to disable some site features while he irons out the bugs. It will be back.

'That would be no one. :-)

The ratings system is temporarily down because SuperG did a massive upgrade on Christmas Eve and had to disable some site features while he irons out the bugs. It will be back.'

Ah, I didn't think your staff had enough sense to get rid of the ratings system. If it will be back, I won't.

Your readers/contributors are going to have an interesting several years watching the commodities, oil not the least among them. Some countries economies will begin to recover prior to the US and at some point the world will decide that a single fiat currency will not work for a globalized economy, if the economy is to remain globalized. Nor will numerous individual currencies work because of downturns leading to currency devaluations and minipulations. The problem is as old as currencies, they are always devalued when governments need money for pork and wars. Expect to see more direct trade agreements excluding the dollar. Expect a dislocation in the US Treasuries Market. Expect a dollar crash. In order to regain the confidence of voters governments will eventually do the only thing left for them too do, go to currencies based on SOMETHING. After confidence is regained, that system will be eroded and the cycle will begin again. Aquire a taste for beans, rice, and Sunday Dinners featuring tamales as the main dish.

When Bernanke's Keynesian remedies fail the most doomerish readers will find that they have done the right things for the wrong reasons. These doomers, being human and having short memories, will congratulate themselves anyway.

Get the extra large popcorn, it will be a long and fireworks filled show.

Happy New Year and adios

How about a dollar backed by "Gold"---Golden Corn?
Too Corny for you? How about a dollar backed by beans---the Soy ones.

It would be better than today's dollar backed by Gas---as in Hot Air...

E. Swanson

I too was happy to see it vanished.

Surely each person can have a rating system in their own brain, and skip stuff they disapprove of or dislike or are uninterested in? Besides that most of the posts are worth reading (not that I manage to do so or even wish to.) So someone posts about abiotic oil? Call him or her biotic or idiotic and be done. If the rating system ends up by influencing what is or is not posted, one may end up with a very narrow ‘majority opinion’, very conventional stuff, or a group-think atmosphere.

The basic idea of democracy is that one votes for elected representatives (Republic) or for decisions that are spelled out -- for or against the death penalty, for ex. Opinion is free...of course it is judged and can be, is often, quashed, but rating individual posts - and thus the individuals who write them - seems a highway to conformity, very corporate like, reminiscent also of beauty contests and ‘star academy’ (I don’t know the name of US programs) ...

I ignored it in the past and will do so in the future.

What I don't understand is what the rating is supposed to accomplish, what purpose it serves. Anyway the owners do decide the forms and rules.

Surely each person can have a rating system in their own brain, and skip stuff they disapprove of or dislike or are uninterested in?

They can. The place is called "Usenet." ;-)

What I don't understand is what the rating is supposed to accomplish, what purpose it serves.

It's supposed to keep TOD looking civilized and professional for visitors who may wander in, not knowing what the site is like. Sure, some kind of killfile function would work for regulars, but it would not help for newcomers. We don't want people to come in, see a flamewar or a discussion about how the government is hiding energy technology from space aliens, and write us off.

I'm glad you think most of the posts are worth reading, but that reflects a lot of work by the staff. And it's not scalable. Once a site reaches a certain size, community moderation is the only thing that works. We are not there yet, nowhere near it, but we're planning for the future.

Right now, the ratings system is in beta and there are no consequences. Eventually, that will change. We have a vision for this site, and it's not Usenet-type anything goes.

Ah, I didn't think your staff had enough sense to get rid of the ratings system.

A perfect illustration of why you won't likely be missed.

Why so arrogant? I don't see any special insight in your words. All you have really said is the economic system has cycles and you people are stupid for thinking it's about oil... or something to that effect.

Bye!