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What do you mean that wasn't what you said? Who were the "people" to which you referred in the final line if the antecedent be not, or include not, the gov't activities from the previous line?
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Not that the nuances of interpretation much matter.
The belief structure of the late 70's and early 80's was in perhaps correct, in that higher efficiency use, domestic control, and domestic sourcing of energy was paramount, and subsequent beliefs that cheap imported oil and products funded by international debt could somehow be sustainable were erroneous. Being 20 years too early in calling the peak might have been considerably better than now being a few years too late.
I would assert this: the US would be in a much more tenable and stable position now if trade imbalances and energy imbalances had never been allowed to balloon. Continuing down the path of the late 70's would have led to a better long-term future, while the path taken instead led to a hollowly prosperous boom period. Rarely does a man or a nation much suffer from living too fiscally conservatively.
Never heard of Malthus? How about "The Population Bomb"? They are hardly the only examples.
That's certainly true... but we only know that they were at least 20-30 years too early. As I said... the eroneous assumption that has been made over and over throughout history is that today is that day.
I'd say that's a truism.
Which parts? From one perspective, they were already too late. The momentum in the system (population growth etc.) might have already been extremely difficult if not impossible to change. Technically, yes, we might have been able to slow down population growth had we started in 1970. But in reality people are very protective of their "right" to have to children and they get quite testy even in casual conversation about it.
It would have taken a global police state to change the population trajectory, most likely.
Another way of looking at this is that if we hadn't started steering the ship a different direction by 1950 (or earlier) and teaching the whole world why resource consumption would eventually be a problem, it was too late. It's even worse because the reality is that people were talking about this back then but nobody believed them.