That Seeking Alpha article summarizing top economists predictions for oil for 2009 is gloomy. They ALL forecast higher prices - Morgan Stanley up to $85/bbl. While this sounds completely reasonable to me on the surface, I know the consensus on oils direction from Wall St has been wrong 8 of last 9 years. Which suggests to me, people are still underestimating the recession/depression and that this force will outweigh dollar 'printing' and ongoing decline - at least for 2009....(which of course is bad news for a)future decline rates and b)future 'increase' rates of renewable substitutes.

Well, for an alternative contrarian point of view, I thought that it was interesting that a recent CNBC poll--I'm not sure if it was analysts or viewers--had zero respondents predicting a 2009 oil price over $75.

BTW, I assume that the $85 pick was for the highest price in 2009, which could easily translate to an average price of $60 or so for 2009, which would be an annual price decline rate of about -50%/year, relative to the 2008 average price of about $100--so the overwhelming consensus opinion is that there is not a chance in hell that the average price in 2009 will exceed the average 2008 price of about $100.

I had posted a summary of Canadian oil producers guidance. The last 2 weeks have seen a further downgrade. Connacher oil which is a very very small producer has cut volumes by 50%. The net size is just 5000 barrels per day but the supply cuts are looking ominous now. If world demand does not fall by at least 6% in 2009 we are going to have shortages at this rate.

I just posted an article up top by Steve LeVine (who has occasionally posted here). He's the author of The Oil and the Glory, and has long studied the politics of oil and Russia. He thinks the current gas dispute is basically a disagreement on what the price of oil will be this year.

I guess he need to find complex explanation for simple things to earn some interest in his articles.

Current dispute is a very one. Disputes like that happens all the time over the world. Ukraine does not want to pay for it's 2009 contract and does not want to pay anything close to market price for 2009 gas deliveries. It's as simple as that. The desire to pay as little as possible is rather natural and common. I also do not want to pay market price for anything, but I unlike Ukraine's current terrible government luck blackmailing material.

Nassim Nicholas Taleb in The Black Swan delves into this subject of making predictions.

There is scant little empirical evidence documenting the accuracy of the forecasts and predictions made by economists and finance industry "experts".

But what little evidence there is suggests they do a bang up job. In fact, their predictions are almost as good as those made by NY city taxicab drivers.

As Taleb says, empiricism is not something that is highly valued in the world of economists and finance industry "experts".