I'm not sure I can properly answer your question, but I fully appreciate your point. It's an impressive looking home and without knowing the price tag, I can honestly say well beyond my price range.
FWIW, I prefer simple, cost-effective solutions and would much rather we repair and rehabilitate our existing housing stock than simply tear it down and build anew. I happen to live in a city where a good number of buildings are over two hundred years old (nothing out of the ordinary with respect to Europe and other parts of the world, but a bit of a rarity on this side of the pond) and they very much define the character and spirit of our community (e.g., see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halifax_Town_Clock and http://www.pbase.com/halifaxphoto/downtown_halifax&page=1).
More to the point, when you renovate a home, you can start small and take things one step at a time, doing only as much as you can comfortably afford. For example, I upgraded my loft insulation from R6 to R60 in one afternoon -- no special tools or skills required and I re-cooped my initial investment in a few short months. Those 3M window kits, foam gaskets and all that caulking and weather stripping? Ditto - ditto. Two key points to keep in mind: One, if you continue to reinvest those savings in additional upgrades, these enhancements become largely self-financing. Two, you don't need to spend a lot of money to achieve large savings -- your first $100.00 will always save you more than the last $100.00.
BTW, thanks for keeping the conversation grounded -- we need to keep things real.
Often, the most cost effective energy improvements are replacing old HVAC systems with modern high efficiency units.
I am all for easy upgrades like Energy Star replacement windows, extra insulation in attics and even foam insulation in uninsulated exterior walls. However, if a home is old enough to not have insulation, in most cases it is more economical to build a new house. Fixing an old house is like restoring an old car. You will spend a lot of money and not make it new.
Most of my career was spent designing large manufacturing facilities. At various times we would have modernization programs and install new equipment in old facilities, thinking we were saving money by taking advantage of existing boilers, rail facilities, electrical substations, boilers, steam turbines, etc. So we might spend $300 million on an old plant instead of building a new plant for $750 million. What typically happened was that we found out that our cost estimates overlooked or underestimated something or and this resulted in a major cost overrun.
Invariably, the new facilities proved more profitable because everything was state of the art and had lower operating costs. Typically the old, rebuilt facilities ran another decade or so and were shut down. The new plants stayed competitive and will last many more decades.
In the commercial and industrial sectors where facilities are more finely tailored to the specific needs of each business, and where the choice of alternative sites is more limited and relocation to a new facility is considerably more complicated and costly, I see your point, but I'm not so sure the same can be said of our homes. The residential real estate market is much larger and more fluid, and there's a far greater range of product to chose from; consequently, if your needs or personal circumstances change (e.g., a divorce/separation, birth of a new child, kids move out, etc.) it can be easily exchanged for another. In any event, tearing down an existing structure and rebuilding from scratch involves a large commitment of capital, all of which must be secured upfront, whereas improving the thermal efficiency of a home can be accomplished over an extended period of time, as and when funds permit -- for a good and growing number of us, there's really no other option. In addition, some of us simply prefer older homes to new construction, for a variety of reasons, not withstanding their various deficiencies.
Secondly, although upgraded homes may never achieve the same level of technical performance, as you start to narrow the gap, it becomes pretty much a moot issue. I use this same argument when comparing air and ground source heat pumps -- it doesn't really matter if a ground source heat pump is twice as efficient as its air source counterpart if the home heating costs of one is $50.00/year and the other is $100.00. At some point, good does become good-enough. Along the same lines, if I can't afford to replace my old, leaky windows with new, high performance, low-e/argon units, a couple of inexpensive 3M window kits might very well do the trick -- my heating costs may be a little higher, but it's affordable and it could free up funds that could be better spent on other efficiency improvements that will generate a much higher return at the margin.
"FWIW, I prefer simple, cost-effective solutions and would much rather we repair and rehabilitate our existing housing stock than simply tear it down and build anew."
Hear, hear!
That is the post in this series I am waiting for. I hope I'm not disappointed.
Hi souperman2,
I'm not sure I can properly answer your question, but I fully appreciate your point. It's an impressive looking home and without knowing the price tag, I can honestly say well beyond my price range.
FWIW, I prefer simple, cost-effective solutions and would much rather we repair and rehabilitate our existing housing stock than simply tear it down and build anew. I happen to live in a city where a good number of buildings are over two hundred years old (nothing out of the ordinary with respect to Europe and other parts of the world, but a bit of a rarity on this side of the pond) and they very much define the character and spirit of our community (e.g., see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halifax_Town_Clock and http://www.pbase.com/halifaxphoto/downtown_halifax&page=1).
More to the point, when you renovate a home, you can start small and take things one step at a time, doing only as much as you can comfortably afford. For example, I upgraded my loft insulation from R6 to R60 in one afternoon -- no special tools or skills required and I re-cooped my initial investment in a few short months. Those 3M window kits, foam gaskets and all that caulking and weather stripping? Ditto - ditto. Two key points to keep in mind: One, if you continue to reinvest those savings in additional upgrades, these enhancements become largely self-financing. Two, you don't need to spend a lot of money to achieve large savings -- your first $100.00 will always save you more than the last $100.00.
BTW, thanks for keeping the conversation grounded -- we need to keep things real.
Cheers,
Paul
Often, the most cost effective energy improvements are replacing old HVAC systems with modern high efficiency units.
I am all for easy upgrades like Energy Star replacement windows, extra insulation in attics and even foam insulation in uninsulated exterior walls. However, if a home is old enough to not have insulation, in most cases it is more economical to build a new house. Fixing an old house is like restoring an old car. You will spend a lot of money and not make it new.
Most of my career was spent designing large manufacturing facilities. At various times we would have modernization programs and install new equipment in old facilities, thinking we were saving money by taking advantage of existing boilers, rail facilities, electrical substations, boilers, steam turbines, etc. So we might spend $300 million on an old plant instead of building a new plant for $750 million. What typically happened was that we found out that our cost estimates overlooked or underestimated something or and this resulted in a major cost overrun.
Invariably, the new facilities proved more profitable because everything was state of the art and had lower operating costs. Typically the old, rebuilt facilities ran another decade or so and were shut down. The new plants stayed competitive and will last many more decades.
Housing shares a lot of similarities.
Hi Paul,
In the commercial and industrial sectors where facilities are more finely tailored to the specific needs of each business, and where the choice of alternative sites is more limited and relocation to a new facility is considerably more complicated and costly, I see your point, but I'm not so sure the same can be said of our homes. The residential real estate market is much larger and more fluid, and there's a far greater range of product to chose from; consequently, if your needs or personal circumstances change (e.g., a divorce/separation, birth of a new child, kids move out, etc.) it can be easily exchanged for another. In any event, tearing down an existing structure and rebuilding from scratch involves a large commitment of capital, all of which must be secured upfront, whereas improving the thermal efficiency of a home can be accomplished over an extended period of time, as and when funds permit -- for a good and growing number of us, there's really no other option. In addition, some of us simply prefer older homes to new construction, for a variety of reasons, not withstanding their various deficiencies.
Secondly, although upgraded homes may never achieve the same level of technical performance, as you start to narrow the gap, it becomes pretty much a moot issue. I use this same argument when comparing air and ground source heat pumps -- it doesn't really matter if a ground source heat pump is twice as efficient as its air source counterpart if the home heating costs of one is $50.00/year and the other is $100.00. At some point, good does become good-enough. Along the same lines, if I can't afford to replace my old, leaky windows with new, high performance, low-e/argon units, a couple of inexpensive 3M window kits might very well do the trick -- my heating costs may be a little higher, but it's affordable and it could free up funds that could be better spent on other efficiency improvements that will generate a much higher return at the margin.
Cheers,
Paul
"FWIW, I prefer simple, cost-effective solutions and would much rather we repair and rehabilitate our existing housing stock than simply tear it down and build anew."
Hear, hear!
That is the post in this series I am waiting for. I hope I'm not disappointed.
lilith