Thermal mass will be in Part 2 of this series. It will be at the overview level, but I will be referencing other sources that give volumes of information on materials and calculations.
As a short answer, the thermal mass in your situation could help keep the cabin warm if the fire was allowed to burn out early (x hours before you left), depending on how much mass there was, the temperature it reached, and where it was located. The downside is it takes a little longer to bring the cabin up to the desired temperature.
Will, could you list the parts to come? It might save you some unnecessary questions from readers, as well as give an opportunity for suggested areas you might not have planned that you or others could cover.
Nothing is written in stone at this time, though Part 2 will focus on Absorber and Thermal Mass. Later in the series, the rest of the Design Aspects will be covered, as will renovations, passive cooling, design tools, design examples, standards (i.e., LEED, Passivhaus, AIA 2030, etc), and examples of existing passive solar buildings.
Funny, as an English teacher, they don't bother me unless they are very basic, such as their/there. English spelling is insane. Since I'm not always sure who is a native speaker and who isn't, I don't often sweat it. When the content of the post reflects a lack of intelligence, then the usage and spelling can help suss out who is and isn't worth responding to.
Just a peeve but aperture is spelt correctly in the majority of cases in Will's document.
May I inform you of a beastie called "the typographical error", often found lurking in "documents",
like brontosauruses, they only eat grass - no need to panic.
Oh shit I've just been trampled by some brontosaurii.
The moral to this story is, of course: "don't grow lawns".
Something else to explore here is the availability (or lack of) proven solar house designs.
All the solar homes I have visited seem to "sort of work", or "work nice, except in ", or "don't really work, but look nice".
As a designer myself (but not of homes) I think that the problem is that the prototypes are too expensive. Architects and do-it-yourselfers read up on passive solar design, starts sketching, throw in some changes at request of the buyer or to cut costs or for styling, then build the house. And then it doesn't quite work - but are they going to take their expensive new knowledge and build another passive solar house just like it but with corrections? No, they will either never build another or the next one they build will be so different that the lessons they learned last time barely apply.
What is really need are completely detailed proven designs that all you need to do is site it at the proper orientation. Complete blueprints and specs for everything - no substitutions or changes required.
A private home that is also an energy collector is TOO EXPENSIVE for experimenting or prototyping - it needs to work right the first time. And then maybe people would be more willing to contract a new solar home if they could visit a model house, talk to the residents, see the utility bills, and then be confident that they would be buying an exact clone.
I was with you up to this point. Yes, there are some stock house plans, but they need to be tweaked depending on the climate (i.e., solar insolation, temperature, wind profile [infiltration loads], etc) of the location. We'll look at some case studies later in the series.
I’m just an amateur (hobbyist) home builder so I’ll apologize in advance for lack of technical detail. But, I’ve been very interested in passive solar homes since the 70s. My wife and I built (with our own hands) a cabin a couple of miles from the south shore of Lake Superior. The design looks identical to Nate’s diagram except that it had no thermal mass. At 25 degrees (F) below zero the cabin was toasty warm when we had a bright sun and lots of reflecting snow. A half hour after the sun went down we lost all benefit of solar heating.
In the early 80s we decided to build a house 20 miles north of Milwaukee, WI. Again, we used a passive solar design but this time with lots of thermal mass.
Here are the most important details:
We read an article about a Los Alamos Testing Lab experiment where they determined that a 4 inch thick monolithic film of concrete on ALL surfaces except the glazed south exposure was optimal for thermal mass.
We read in a brochure from Portland Cement Assoc about a fellow named Champion who built tilt-up concrete motels across the Southern US. We decide to build the basic structure by copying his methods. Our floors and ceilings are 6 inch concrete and the walls are either 6” or 8” concrete. We (wife and I) cast all the slabs in our yard – one on top of the other with a bond breaker in between. A huge crane lifted all parts (some 20,000 lbs) into place and we bolted or welded it together. We used a Colorado company for all the lifting and bolting hardware and gadgets.
We read a lot about super insulation. There are 2 buildings – the house and a detached garage-workshop. The house has 12” of fiberglass insulation. The workshop has 2” of Dow Foam and 6” of fiberglass (this is the best).
Wife is an incurable romantic and insisted upon an old-fashion appearance with a turret, stucco, etc. On top of the insulation layer is a half inch of oriented strand board and one inch of old fashion cement based stucco (again we did all the work ourselves – as we did for most of the construction process).
The “basement” is a 4 foot crawl space (all concrete) that acts as a heat plenum for a boiler system. Fans blow air thru openings in the first floor – all other heat distribution is just natural air flow.
Glazing is double pane with 80% of it facing due solar south (as measured at solar noon).
Floors are ceramic tile and walls are skim coated plaster with a sound absorbing pattern (very, very important).
Windows have blinds but not the insulating ones we hope to install “some day”.
The house seems to work pretty well. Summer cooling costs are very low as we normally cool at night and close up during the day. Thermal “fly wheel” of the concrete really keeps it cool on hot days. We have a small window air conditioner in the bedroom that we run a few days each summer.
Winter heating is really dependent on the amount of sun. Bright days mean no furnace time at all regardless of how cold it is outside. Extended cloudy periods result in almost no benefit from the design of the house. However, there are almost no drafts, the heat is extremely even and it is comfortable in this house at a lower temperature than in conventional houses – I suppose because of the way the heat radiates from the concrete.
As I said, I’m just an amateur and we never had an architect or builder – I was fortunate to work at a technical college and got lots of expert advice. I also passed all building inspection licensing tests for WI – helps when talking to the local building inspector. However, I have almost no information of a comparative nature about the effectiveness of this design or any kind of cost-benefit analysis. I understand Greg’s question and often wish someone would evaluate our effort after living in this house for 26 years. All I can really say is that it is a wonderful house to live in – but we still have higher heat bills than I originally anticipated.
Amazing work for an 'amateur' home-builder. How do your heating bills compare with your neighbors who have a similar square footage? Insulating shades could make a tremendous difference.
I wish I could answer that question with quality data - but I only have some casual observations. First, our total energy bill for 8 months out of the year is minimal - March to Oct. And I do know that some of our neighbors have significant energry bills for that period - both heating and cooling. For Nov thru Feb my guess is that we are about half of our neighbors bills. Originally, back in the 70's when we got the first oil crisis, I wanted to build a house that could get by with no additional fuel source. My guess is that if I tried that, the house would not freeze - but it would not be a very pleasant experience - maybe it would "float" at about 40 degrees in mid-dec to mid-Feb.
I think you are right about the insulating shades. Originally, we bought some great fabric for making such shades - and designed window valences to accommodate them. Umh.. the fabric is neatly stacked in the attic at this time. As you can tell from my handle, bicycling is my first passion and I only work on the house to the extent that it does not interfere with the rest of my life too much - I think this is what has kept us happy with this unending building project (woodworking - cabinet projects never seem to end). As energy costs go up, I think these insulating shades will definitely rise up on our priority list of projects.
One of the issues that I researched nearly 30 years ago was the depth of the air space between the double panes. The wisdom of the day was to have a 3/4 to 1 inch space. I had custom commerical panes made with this space (the glass itself is almost industructable in these critters). However, fogging with these windows has been a problem over the years. Economical replacements have a much smaller spacing (and more fragile glass). Has there been any more research on the space between panes that yeilds the best R value and solar effectiveness?
Has there been any more research on the space between panes that yeilds the best R value and solar effectiveness?
Yes, and it's much less than 1 inch. If you have too much space between the panes, you allow enough space for convection cells to establish themselves and transfer heat. Modern windows have either 3 glass panes or a plastic film in the middle to break the convective path and reduce the heat transfer rate to close to the rate of diffusion.
Right. Argon has a better thermal resistance than air and is less viscous, so will convect less. Immobile air has far greater thermal resistance than convecting air.
Adding more window pane layers will reduce heat loss, but will also reduce SHGC. An examination of window manufacturer's offerings in the context of one's overall building shell UA and specific climate (and other window treatments, such as insulating shades) would be the next step.
...fogging with these windows has been a problem over the years...
I had the same problem with one of my windows. I replaced a fogged vacuum panel once with an identical vacuum panel, but that too fogged after about 5 years or so.
I subsequently had the whole set of windows replaced, as the frames were past their sell-by date and the windows were really ugly as well as being fogged (1970s aluminium ugh!).
During the pre-replacement inspection I was told that fogging can be caused by insufficient drainage around the vacuum panel, leading to the insulating and bonding layer between the two panes of glass being subject to attack and deterioration over time.
It is therefore a good idea to ensure that the rebate round the glass is properly drained and ventilated so that the panel remains dry round the edges. The (hardwood) frames surrounding the new panels have small drainage holes at the bottom of the panel.
I realy like your design! It sounds sturdy, fairy unexensive, well insulated and you cant get too much thermal mass.
But how do your ventilation work? Do you have any heat recovery on the air leaving the house such as a heat exchanger warming the incomming air or a heat pump?
Your comments are rekindling my motivation to address some the energy conservation factors have been moved to back burner for several years (4,000 miles a year on a bicycle does take some time!)
Your comments have reminded me that we really need to finish the insulated drapes, start replacing windows that have failed (fogged) with better glazing, and deal with the whole issue of air movement. The first two issues are straight forward - I just need to do the work!
The air issue, however, is more complicated. It is also an area that I suspect could provide for a lot of savings. The boiler is in the garage-workshop building (which is also heated and stays very warm with a minimal amount of the hot water from the boiler). An underground pipe brings the hot water into the concrete crawl space in the house. Those finned gadgets and fans pull the heat from the hot water into the crawl space. From the crawl space the heated air, and radiant heat from the concrete, migrate into the the rest of the house on a pretty haphazzard basis. We actually have 3 floors with a rough finished (but well insulated) attic space as our computer room and storage area. This attic is always the warmest room in house (which is nice when sitting at the computer) but is definitely wasting heat. My original plan was to use a duct and fan arrangement to recycle the air from the attic to the crawl space - I need to finish this work. Aside from that, I'm not sure what else might help conserve heat? The boiler in the garage building (which was the smallest size available) just uses avaiable air. It is a "very high efficiency" boiler - according to the 25 year old brochure - and has some fancy piping to get every last BTU out of the heated water. The plastic exhaust pipe is never very hot. The house itself does not use outside air as part of the heating process - except for infiltration issues.
My decimated 401K, harsher winters these past two years, and rising fuel costs are compelling me to revisit some of these original ideas that have been back burnered for way too many years. The good news of being a do-it-your-selfer is the fact that we have no mortgage, the bad news is the snail pace of progress! It is also easy to become complacent when your living space becomes very comfy and nothing seems too urgent - until that January heat bill arrives!
You are a lucky man, every year I waste a few days planning a house and then throwing the plans away since I dont have the time or funds or need for realy building a house.
Where and how do the ventilaton air leave your house? Is it possible to get the heat out of the air before it leaves the house?
Are there insulation between the crawl space and the ground? If not you have a major heat leak, especially since it seems like you heat your house by heating air in the crawl space wich makes it one of the warmest parts of your house. You can probably add a layer of some dense styrofoam on the crawl space floor.
Btw I recenty visited some friends that recently had moved into a house built in the 1990:s. It is a two floor house probably made out of prefabricated concrete slabs and the slabs between the two floors were hollow and used to distribute hot air to all rooms. They had a central heater using hot water from the district heating system with a heat exchanger that sucked air from one point of the house plus the bathrooms. It were built as a pair-house sharing one outer wall with a neighbour and thus removing about 1/5 of the heat loss. Super insulated windows but not super insulated walls and no features for passiv solar. A few tweaks in the design, mostly with more insulation, and it would be an exellent passiv house. It had a carport for one car and a 10 A 240 V outlet intended for a block heater but obviously usefull for future plug in wehicle. It were built in an USA inspired urban area with cul-de-sacs and all but the planning is dense with small lots, a complete bicle lane network, child care and schools within walking or short bicycling distance and a train station within 5 km. It were obviously intended for families with one car that mostly use the bus service or bicycle to work and school.
There were several years of pretty heavy duty construction projects going on in our house when my wife would seriously contest the "lucky" part! However, we would do it all over again and now enjoy the benefits of our labor. BTW, we never had more than a couple of nickels to rub together at one time - we just worked our way up to building a new house by rehabing run-down old houses in good neighborhoods. Our first house cost $17K - we borrowed money from friends for the down payment along with the GI bill loan arrangement. I know the whole marketplace has changed from when we started doing this, but I wonder if this is not one of those opportunities to get into some very afforable existing homes? Especially in the kind of setting that is often mentioned on TOD (small, dense, semi-rural towns).
I can look into the air intake for the boiler in the garage building - but the bigger issue is the house building and there ventilation is just from normal infiltration. Actually, some of the windows were "shop-built" by me (curved top windows in the turret) and are probably leaking a lot more air than they should.
The crawl space was heavily insulated - 2 inches of foam (DOW pink) under the floor and 4" of foam outside of the walls. I suspect that the main problem with the crawl space is that I'm not circulating the warm air in and out of there as aggressively as I should. It is always really warm down there.
I mostly wonder where the air leaves you house, not where it enters it.
One common ventilation system for factory built houses in Sweden is to have a lower airpreassure inside the house and air entering the house thru small regulated orifices and unplanned leakage and leaving the house via a heat pump with the ventilation fan. The heat pump recovers the heat in the exiting ventilation air and makes hot water and part of the heat for water radiators. Then there are resistive heating or an additional ground or extrenal air source heat pump loop used for the rest of the heating need.
This system is not the best one since you need to make fairly warm water as tap water wich makes the heat pump less efficient. It might be possile to retrofit such a system to your house to recover the heat in your ventilation air. The economics depend on the cost for electricity and your boiler fuel.
2 inches of foam below a ground slab is not much. Over here are 8 inches normal and people sometimes use more but then you can get a problem with the winter chill seeping under the house and freezing the ground below it, this is solved by adding a horisontal layer of insulation slightly below ground around the house. But anyway, the first inches are the most important ones.
Thanks for the comments - I'll have to look into these ventilation concepts. Truthfully, this is one area where I have little knowledge - but, I'll try to correct that.
The 8" foam under the slab is quite a surprise. I grew up in Duluth, Minnesota (lots of Swedish people) and also lived in northern Wisconsin before buiding here in southern Wisconsin - a little over 100 miles north of Chicago. Until we built our house, I never saw any insulation under a basement floor. Not many single family homes are built as "slab on grade". Even commerical buildings, where slab on grade is more frequent, put much (or any)insulation under the slab. In our case, with a 4 foot crawl space (used as a heat plenum) the 2" of foam was almost unheard of when we built. I'll have to check if any local builders are putting foam under the basement floor - but, I've never noticed any (other than ours). I've noticed that some high quality homes being built in this area now use 2" foam (R10) on the outside of the basement walls - but ours is the only one I know of that used 4". Guidlines are hard to come by for R value insulation of basement and crawl space walls here in Wisconsin. R15 seems to be a common recommendation (which would be 3" of the R5 foam board that we used) - but I doubt that many new homes even meet that recommendation.
I live in a house in extreme weather conditions. It works VERY WELL. I don't have time to explain many of the details. Suffice it to say it is a BERM house with dirt on three sides, south facing, double-pane windows. Without heat overnight, the temperature does not drop below 60 degrees F even as the outside temperature approaches 0 degrees F. A wood burning stove is sufficient but is supplemented by natural gas at this time. Concrete slab, much foam insulation on both exterior walls where dirt abuts and on interior concrete walls besides ordinary stud construction. Approximately R19 in attic; clearly a weak spot.
Exactly. Last year I moved into a solid brick built Edwardian house and for a while had the time profile thermostats set to the exact times I needed the heat. That is on at 7am off at 9am, then 6pm and 11pm for the evening. Trouble was it was still cold at 8pm when we were using the living rooms and was uncomfortably warm to sleep even until 1am.
It took me a few weeks to figure out the settings needed to be 4am/6am and 3pm/8pm - it's not intuitive coming from a 1990 built apartment that heated from cold in 30 mins. My garden office is new school however and goes from 8c setback to 22 in 20 mins flat with my heat pump. It is super insulated though and wont drop more than 8c overnight.
I also have the complication of underfloor heating in 2 rooms which is the ultimate thermal mass - 20 tonnes of concrete :) In this case I don't bother with AM heating as it is still warm and setback is 17 rather than 15 for the rest of the house. PM heating is on at 3pm again and off at 8pm - you can choose a lower steback but would then probably need to heat in the AM and for longer in the evening.
I have to use a gas fireplace to boost in unusual weather due to the slow response time.
I also have a house with tons of thermal mass (solid brick Georgian colonial, plus on top of that cast iron hot water radiator heat. It literally can take 3 hours to raise the temperature from a cold start even two degrees. I also find that there's an overshoot problem, where the heat from the radiators takes so long to affect the thermostat sensor that it goes a degree or two past the setting.
I look forward to the rest of this series. I have a sunroom on the south-facing side of the house with little insulation that really does a remarkable job of providing supplemental heat to the house on sunny winter days. I have to address the insulation problem, of course, so that heat isn't lost back out at night.
Combined with the wood stove being installed later this month, I'm hoping to almost eliminate our oil usage.
Comfort depends largely on the temperature of surrounding surfaces. That's why air temperature can be low if there is a warm spot nearby (stove or radiant panel) and occupants will be comfortable. Large cold masses are not what you want. It averages out. A lightweight curtain you can pull across a large (cold) glazed area on dark days or rug you can throw on a concrete slab are things that will affect sensation of comfort
A lot of mass in a cabin only used a few hours a day will probably not work well. Better to build a well insulated lightweight structure (or inner room) with lightweight surfaces where you can raise the average surface temperature easily.
My home is a superinsulated and massive structure with a glass curtain wall facing south. It will hang out at 50-55F in the winter with no inputs beyond internal gains, even through a string of gray Maine days. That's not comfortable. [It's nice to know the doomstead needs no heat worst case.] My office within, however, is next to wood stove and has lightweight surfaces. I'm further wrapping that part of the core with an additional "envelope" - an unheated but enclosed porch. If the sun comes out, the house goes to 60F quickly - a small gain - but the solar insolation raises the sensation of radiant warmth and it's quite comfy. Sunglasses optional.
Mass doesn't save energy. It's a way of modulating inputs. Pay attention to ambient surface temperatures. That's your comfort.
There were all sorts of publications in early 80's and I've not seen anything new that surpasses the work of that period. "Other Homes and Garbage" comes to mind as one of the best.
Thanks Will, It's exactly those types of hard numbers I'm trying to figure out. I know this will be an interesting heat transfer problem as it won't be steady state.
But if I could estimate the amount of heat that a certain mass could absorb, that takes care of the heating problem. My issue is how do you estimate how much that mass releases and at what rate, which would change as the air temperature changed...
Are there any HVAC engineers out there that have seen software that will account for non steady state heat transfer in buidlings using thermal mass? My work related heat transfer is limited to oil/gas facilities and exchangers, this is all new learning to me.
I also wonder about how to account for radiant barriers. I built my office with 12" thick walls and put a radiant barrier in all the walls and the ceiling. Problem is, typical heat trasfer calcs for building envelope are done utilizing R-Values which are conduction based (my assumption), so how does one account for a radiant barrier?
Thermal mass will be in Part 2 of this series. It will be at the overview level, but I will be referencing other sources that give volumes of information on materials and calculations.
As a short answer, the thermal mass in your situation could help keep the cabin warm if the fire was allowed to burn out early (x hours before you left), depending on how much mass there was, the temperature it reached, and where it was located. The downside is it takes a little longer to bring the cabin up to the desired temperature.
Will, could you list the parts to come? It might save you some unnecessary questions from readers, as well as give an opportunity for suggested areas you might not have planned that you or others could cover.
Cheers
Nothing is written in stone at this time, though Part 2 will focus on Absorber and Thermal Mass. Later in the series, the rest of the Design Aspects will be covered, as will renovations, passive cooling, design tools, design examples, standards (i.e., LEED, Passivhaus, AIA 2030, etc), and examples of existing passive solar buildings.
Just a peeve, but in future parts will you please spell "aperture" correctly? This grandson of an English teacher finds it grating.
Funny, as an English teacher, they don't bother me unless they are very basic, such as their/there. English spelling is insane. Since I'm not always sure who is a native speaker and who isn't, I don't often sweat it. When the content of the post reflects a lack of intelligence, then the usage and spelling can help suss out who is and isn't worth responding to.
Cheers
Just a peeve but aperture is spelt correctly in the majority of cases in Will's document.
May I inform you of a beastie called "the typographical error", often found lurking in "documents",
like brontosauruses, they only eat grass - no need to panic.
Oh shit I've just been trampled by some brontosaurii.
The moral to this story is, of course: "don't grow lawns".
Hi Will,
Something else to explore here is the availability (or lack of) proven solar house designs.
All the solar homes I have visited seem to "sort of work", or "work nice, except in ", or "don't really work, but look nice".
As a designer myself (but not of homes) I think that the problem is that the prototypes are too expensive. Architects and do-it-yourselfers read up on passive solar design, starts sketching, throw in some changes at request of the buyer or to cut costs or for styling, then build the house. And then it doesn't quite work - but are they going to take their expensive new knowledge and build another passive solar house just like it but with corrections? No, they will either never build another or the next one they build will be so different that the lessons they learned last time barely apply.
What is really need are completely detailed proven designs that all you need to do is site it at the proper orientation. Complete blueprints and specs for everything - no substitutions or changes required.
A private home that is also an energy collector is TOO EXPENSIVE for experimenting or prototyping - it needs to work right the first time. And then maybe people would be more willing to contract a new solar home if they could visit a model house, talk to the residents, see the utility bills, and then be confident that they would be buying an exact clone.
Do such proven home designs exist?
Greg
no substitutions or changes required.
I was with you up to this point. Yes, there are some stock house plans, but they need to be tweaked depending on the climate (i.e., solar insolation, temperature, wind profile [infiltration loads], etc) of the location. We'll look at some case studies later in the series.
I’m just an amateur (hobbyist) home builder so I’ll apologize in advance for lack of technical detail. But, I’ve been very interested in passive solar homes since the 70s. My wife and I built (with our own hands) a cabin a couple of miles from the south shore of Lake Superior. The design looks identical to Nate’s diagram except that it had no thermal mass. At 25 degrees (F) below zero the cabin was toasty warm when we had a bright sun and lots of reflecting snow. A half hour after the sun went down we lost all benefit of solar heating.
In the early 80s we decided to build a house 20 miles north of Milwaukee, WI. Again, we used a passive solar design but this time with lots of thermal mass.
Here are the most important details:
We read an article about a Los Alamos Testing Lab experiment where they determined that a 4 inch thick monolithic film of concrete on ALL surfaces except the glazed south exposure was optimal for thermal mass.
We read in a brochure from Portland Cement Assoc about a fellow named Champion who built tilt-up concrete motels across the Southern US. We decide to build the basic structure by copying his methods. Our floors and ceilings are 6 inch concrete and the walls are either 6” or 8” concrete. We (wife and I) cast all the slabs in our yard – one on top of the other with a bond breaker in between. A huge crane lifted all parts (some 20,000 lbs) into place and we bolted or welded it together. We used a Colorado company for all the lifting and bolting hardware and gadgets.
We read a lot about super insulation. There are 2 buildings – the house and a detached garage-workshop. The house has 12” of fiberglass insulation. The workshop has 2” of Dow Foam and 6” of fiberglass (this is the best).
Wife is an incurable romantic and insisted upon an old-fashion appearance with a turret, stucco, etc. On top of the insulation layer is a half inch of oriented strand board and one inch of old fashion cement based stucco (again we did all the work ourselves – as we did for most of the construction process).
The “basement” is a 4 foot crawl space (all concrete) that acts as a heat plenum for a boiler system. Fans blow air thru openings in the first floor – all other heat distribution is just natural air flow.
Glazing is double pane with 80% of it facing due solar south (as measured at solar noon).
Floors are ceramic tile and walls are skim coated plaster with a sound absorbing pattern (very, very important).
Windows have blinds but not the insulating ones we hope to install “some day”.
The house seems to work pretty well. Summer cooling costs are very low as we normally cool at night and close up during the day. Thermal “fly wheel” of the concrete really keeps it cool on hot days. We have a small window air conditioner in the bedroom that we run a few days each summer.
Winter heating is really dependent on the amount of sun. Bright days mean no furnace time at all regardless of how cold it is outside. Extended cloudy periods result in almost no benefit from the design of the house. However, there are almost no drafts, the heat is extremely even and it is comfortable in this house at a lower temperature than in conventional houses – I suppose because of the way the heat radiates from the concrete.
As I said, I’m just an amateur and we never had an architect or builder – I was fortunate to work at a technical college and got lots of expert advice. I also passed all building inspection licensing tests for WI – helps when talking to the local building inspector. However, I have almost no information of a comparative nature about the effectiveness of this design or any kind of cost-benefit analysis. I understand Greg’s question and often wish someone would evaluate our effort after living in this house for 26 years. All I can really say is that it is a wonderful house to live in – but we still have higher heat bills than I originally anticipated.
Dave,
Amazing work for an 'amateur' home-builder. How do your heating bills compare with your neighbors who have a similar square footage? Insulating shades could make a tremendous difference.
Hi Will,
I wish I could answer that question with quality data - but I only have some casual observations. First, our total energy bill for 8 months out of the year is minimal - March to Oct. And I do know that some of our neighbors have significant energry bills for that period - both heating and cooling. For Nov thru Feb my guess is that we are about half of our neighbors bills. Originally, back in the 70's when we got the first oil crisis, I wanted to build a house that could get by with no additional fuel source. My guess is that if I tried that, the house would not freeze - but it would not be a very pleasant experience - maybe it would "float" at about 40 degrees in mid-dec to mid-Feb.
I think you are right about the insulating shades. Originally, we bought some great fabric for making such shades - and designed window valences to accommodate them. Umh.. the fabric is neatly stacked in the attic at this time. As you can tell from my handle, bicycling is my first passion and I only work on the house to the extent that it does not interfere with the rest of my life too much - I think this is what has kept us happy with this unending building project (woodworking - cabinet projects never seem to end). As energy costs go up, I think these insulating shades will definitely rise up on our priority list of projects.
One of the issues that I researched nearly 30 years ago was the depth of the air space between the double panes. The wisdom of the day was to have a 3/4 to 1 inch space. I had custom commerical panes made with this space (the glass itself is almost industructable in these critters). However, fogging with these windows has been a problem over the years. Economical replacements have a much smaller spacing (and more fragile glass). Has there been any more research on the space between panes that yeilds the best R value and solar effectiveness?
Yes, and it's much less than 1 inch. If you have too much space between the panes, you allow enough space for convection cells to establish themselves and transfer heat. Modern windows have either 3 glass panes or a plastic film in the middle to break the convective path and reduce the heat transfer rate to close to the rate of diffusion.
Right. Argon has a better thermal resistance than air and is less viscous, so will convect less. Immobile air has far greater thermal resistance than convecting air.
Adding more window pane layers will reduce heat loss, but will also reduce SHGC. An examination of window manufacturer's offerings in the context of one's overall building shell UA and specific climate (and other window treatments, such as insulating shades) would be the next step.
From http://windows.lbl.gov/pub/selectingwindows/window.pdf;
1/2-inch air space
1/2-inch argon space
1/2-inch argon spaces
Hi Bicycle Dave..
I had the same problem with one of my windows. I replaced a fogged vacuum panel once with an identical vacuum panel, but that too fogged after about 5 years or so.
I subsequently had the whole set of windows replaced, as the frames were past their sell-by date and the windows were really ugly as well as being fogged (1970s aluminium ugh!).
During the pre-replacement inspection I was told that fogging can be caused by insufficient drainage around the vacuum panel, leading to the insulating and bonding layer between the two panes of glass being subject to attack and deterioration over time.
It is therefore a good idea to ensure that the rebate round the glass is properly drained and ventilated so that the panel remains dry round the edges. The (hardwood) frames surrounding the new panels have small drainage holes at the bottom of the panel.
Hope this helps in the future
Cheers
sf
Your house is so beautiful it makes me green with envy.
I suspect that some improved materials like heat-mirror or aerogel windows would ameliorate most of your perceived deficiencies.
I realy like your design! It sounds sturdy, fairy unexensive, well insulated and you cant get too much thermal mass.
But how do your ventilation work? Do you have any heat recovery on the air leaving the house such as a heat exchanger warming the incomming air or a heat pump?
Your comments are rekindling my motivation to address some the energy conservation factors have been moved to back burner for several years (4,000 miles a year on a bicycle does take some time!)
Your comments have reminded me that we really need to finish the insulated drapes, start replacing windows that have failed (fogged) with better glazing, and deal with the whole issue of air movement. The first two issues are straight forward - I just need to do the work!
The air issue, however, is more complicated. It is also an area that I suspect could provide for a lot of savings. The boiler is in the garage-workshop building (which is also heated and stays very warm with a minimal amount of the hot water from the boiler). An underground pipe brings the hot water into the concrete crawl space in the house. Those finned gadgets and fans pull the heat from the hot water into the crawl space. From the crawl space the heated air, and radiant heat from the concrete, migrate into the the rest of the house on a pretty haphazzard basis. We actually have 3 floors with a rough finished (but well insulated) attic space as our computer room and storage area. This attic is always the warmest room in house (which is nice when sitting at the computer) but is definitely wasting heat. My original plan was to use a duct and fan arrangement to recycle the air from the attic to the crawl space - I need to finish this work. Aside from that, I'm not sure what else might help conserve heat? The boiler in the garage building (which was the smallest size available) just uses avaiable air. It is a "very high efficiency" boiler - according to the 25 year old brochure - and has some fancy piping to get every last BTU out of the heated water. The plastic exhaust pipe is never very hot. The house itself does not use outside air as part of the heating process - except for infiltration issues.
My decimated 401K, harsher winters these past two years, and rising fuel costs are compelling me to revisit some of these original ideas that have been back burnered for way too many years. The good news of being a do-it-your-selfer is the fact that we have no mortgage, the bad news is the snail pace of progress! It is also easy to become complacent when your living space becomes very comfy and nothing seems too urgent - until that January heat bill arrives!
You are a lucky man, every year I waste a few days planning a house and then throwing the plans away since I dont have the time or funds or need for realy building a house.
Where and how do the ventilaton air leave your house? Is it possible to get the heat out of the air before it leaves the house?
Are there insulation between the crawl space and the ground? If not you have a major heat leak, especially since it seems like you heat your house by heating air in the crawl space wich makes it one of the warmest parts of your house. You can probably add a layer of some dense styrofoam on the crawl space floor.
Btw I recenty visited some friends that recently had moved into a house built in the 1990:s. It is a two floor house probably made out of prefabricated concrete slabs and the slabs between the two floors were hollow and used to distribute hot air to all rooms. They had a central heater using hot water from the district heating system with a heat exchanger that sucked air from one point of the house plus the bathrooms. It were built as a pair-house sharing one outer wall with a neighbour and thus removing about 1/5 of the heat loss. Super insulated windows but not super insulated walls and no features for passiv solar. A few tweaks in the design, mostly with more insulation, and it would be an exellent passiv house. It had a carport for one car and a 10 A 240 V outlet intended for a block heater but obviously usefull for future plug in wehicle. It were built in an USA inspired urban area with cul-de-sacs and all but the planning is dense with small lots, a complete bicle lane network, child care and schools within walking or short bicycling distance and a train station within 5 km. It were obviously intended for families with one car that mostly use the bus service or bicycle to work and school.
Hi Magnus,
There were several years of pretty heavy duty construction projects going on in our house when my wife would seriously contest the "lucky" part! However, we would do it all over again and now enjoy the benefits of our labor. BTW, we never had more than a couple of nickels to rub together at one time - we just worked our way up to building a new house by rehabing run-down old houses in good neighborhoods. Our first house cost $17K - we borrowed money from friends for the down payment along with the GI bill loan arrangement. I know the whole marketplace has changed from when we started doing this, but I wonder if this is not one of those opportunities to get into some very afforable existing homes? Especially in the kind of setting that is often mentioned on TOD (small, dense, semi-rural towns).
I can look into the air intake for the boiler in the garage building - but the bigger issue is the house building and there ventilation is just from normal infiltration. Actually, some of the windows were "shop-built" by me (curved top windows in the turret) and are probably leaking a lot more air than they should.
The crawl space was heavily insulated - 2 inches of foam (DOW pink) under the floor and 4" of foam outside of the walls. I suspect that the main problem with the crawl space is that I'm not circulating the warm air in and out of there as aggressively as I should. It is always really warm down there.
Thanks for your thoughts.
I mostly wonder where the air leaves you house, not where it enters it.
One common ventilation system for factory built houses in Sweden is to have a lower airpreassure inside the house and air entering the house thru small regulated orifices and unplanned leakage and leaving the house via a heat pump with the ventilation fan. The heat pump recovers the heat in the exiting ventilation air and makes hot water and part of the heat for water radiators. Then there are resistive heating or an additional ground or extrenal air source heat pump loop used for the rest of the heating need.
This system is not the best one since you need to make fairly warm water as tap water wich makes the heat pump less efficient. It might be possile to retrofit such a system to your house to recover the heat in your ventilation air. The economics depend on the cost for electricity and your boiler fuel.
2 inches of foam below a ground slab is not much. Over here are 8 inches normal and people sometimes use more but then you can get a problem with the winter chill seeping under the house and freezing the ground below it, this is solved by adding a horisontal layer of insulation slightly below ground around the house. But anyway, the first inches are the most important ones.
Thanks for the comments - I'll have to look into these ventilation concepts. Truthfully, this is one area where I have little knowledge - but, I'll try to correct that.
The 8" foam under the slab is quite a surprise. I grew up in Duluth, Minnesota (lots of Swedish people) and also lived in northern Wisconsin before buiding here in southern Wisconsin - a little over 100 miles north of Chicago. Until we built our house, I never saw any insulation under a basement floor. Not many single family homes are built as "slab on grade". Even commerical buildings, where slab on grade is more frequent, put much (or any)insulation under the slab. In our case, with a 4 foot crawl space (used as a heat plenum) the 2" of foam was almost unheard of when we built. I'll have to check if any local builders are putting foam under the basement floor - but, I've never noticed any (other than ours). I've noticed that some high quality homes being built in this area now use 2" foam (R10) on the outside of the basement walls - but ours is the only one I know of that used 4". Guidlines are hard to come by for R value insulation of basement and crawl space walls here in Wisconsin. R15 seems to be a common recommendation (which would be 3" of the R5 foam board that we used) - but I doubt that many new homes even meet that recommendation.
I live in a house in extreme weather conditions. It works VERY WELL. I don't have time to explain many of the details. Suffice it to say it is a BERM house with dirt on three sides, south facing, double-pane windows. Without heat overnight, the temperature does not drop below 60 degrees F even as the outside temperature approaches 0 degrees F. A wood burning stove is sufficient but is supplemented by natural gas at this time. Concrete slab, much foam insulation on both exterior walls where dirt abuts and on interior concrete walls besides ordinary stud construction. Approximately R19 in attic; clearly a weak spot.
Exactly. Last year I moved into a solid brick built Edwardian house and for a while had the time profile thermostats set to the exact times I needed the heat. That is on at 7am off at 9am, then 6pm and 11pm for the evening. Trouble was it was still cold at 8pm when we were using the living rooms and was uncomfortably warm to sleep even until 1am.
It took me a few weeks to figure out the settings needed to be 4am/6am and 3pm/8pm - it's not intuitive coming from a 1990 built apartment that heated from cold in 30 mins. My garden office is new school however and goes from 8c setback to 22 in 20 mins flat with my heat pump. It is super insulated though and wont drop more than 8c overnight.
I also have the complication of underfloor heating in 2 rooms which is the ultimate thermal mass - 20 tonnes of concrete :) In this case I don't bother with AM heating as it is still warm and setback is 17 rather than 15 for the rest of the house. PM heating is on at 3pm again and off at 8pm - you can choose a lower steback but would then probably need to heat in the AM and for longer in the evening.
I have to use a gas fireplace to boost in unusual weather due to the slow response time.
I also have a house with tons of thermal mass (solid brick Georgian colonial, plus on top of that cast iron hot water radiator heat. It literally can take 3 hours to raise the temperature from a cold start even two degrees. I also find that there's an overshoot problem, where the heat from the radiators takes so long to affect the thermostat sensor that it goes a degree or two past the setting.
I look forward to the rest of this series. I have a sunroom on the south-facing side of the house with little insulation that really does a remarkable job of providing supplemental heat to the house on sunny winter days. I have to address the insulation problem, of course, so that heat isn't lost back out at night.
Combined with the wood stove being installed later this month, I'm hoping to almost eliminate our oil usage.
Comfort depends largely on the temperature of surrounding surfaces. That's why air temperature can be low if there is a warm spot nearby (stove or radiant panel) and occupants will be comfortable. Large cold masses are not what you want. It averages out. A lightweight curtain you can pull across a large (cold) glazed area on dark days or rug you can throw on a concrete slab are things that will affect sensation of comfort
A lot of mass in a cabin only used a few hours a day will probably not work well. Better to build a well insulated lightweight structure (or inner room) with lightweight surfaces where you can raise the average surface temperature easily.
My home is a superinsulated and massive structure with a glass curtain wall facing south. It will hang out at 50-55F in the winter with no inputs beyond internal gains, even through a string of gray Maine days. That's not comfortable. [It's nice to know the doomstead needs no heat worst case.] My office within, however, is next to wood stove and has lightweight surfaces. I'm further wrapping that part of the core with an additional "envelope" - an unheated but enclosed porch. If the sun comes out, the house goes to 60F quickly - a small gain - but the solar insolation raises the sensation of radiant warmth and it's quite comfy. Sunglasses optional.
Mass doesn't save energy. It's a way of modulating inputs. Pay attention to ambient surface temperatures. That's your comfort.
There were all sorts of publications in early 80's and I've not seen anything new that surpasses the work of that period. "Other Homes and Garbage" comes to mind as one of the best.
cfm on another gray day in Gray, ME
Thanks Will, It's exactly those types of hard numbers I'm trying to figure out. I know this will be an interesting heat transfer problem as it won't be steady state.
But if I could estimate the amount of heat that a certain mass could absorb, that takes care of the heating problem. My issue is how do you estimate how much that mass releases and at what rate, which would change as the air temperature changed...
Are there any HVAC engineers out there that have seen software that will account for non steady state heat transfer in buidlings using thermal mass? My work related heat transfer is limited to oil/gas facilities and exchangers, this is all new learning to me.
I also wonder about how to account for radiant barriers. I built my office with 12" thick walls and put a radiant barrier in all the walls and the ceiling. Problem is, typical heat trasfer calcs for building envelope are done utilizing R-Values which are conduction based (my assumption), so how does one account for a radiant barrier?