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dohboi on January 11, 2009 - 6:26pm

So which part of GW is a hoax:

The fact that CO2 is a greenhouse gas (established by Arrhenius over one hundred years ago)?

Or the fact that we have emitted hundreds of billions of tons of CO2 since the beginning of the industrial revolution in the 1800's?

Or the fact that during that time atmospheric concentrations of CO2 have risen by over thirty percent, from around 280 ppm to around 380ppm?

Or the fact that CO2 concentrations had never risen above 300 ppm for the last ten thousand years, and levels have not been as high as they currently are for at least the last million years?

Or the fact that every single established scientific group in the world that has weighed in on the matter has concluded that anthropogenic global warming is real and a threat?

Which of these facts do you find to be a hoax? Please inform us and supply evidence.

If none of these is a hoax (in fact if just the first two are true, as they indisputably are), then AGW is not a hoax.

I for one would like to see the ASPO and other peal oil activists drop the whole GW denialist argument. Anyone who can't understand figures and science this basic (or who chooses to ignore it or misrepresent it) has no business posting on serious forums such as this.

And of course there is no cooling as has been pointed out repeatedly here, though it does still snow sometimes in Sweden and in the Himalayas in winter, which according to some here is proof positive that GW is a hoax.

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conservationist on January 11, 2009 - 7:18pm

How about the FACT that temperatures have been steadily cooling over the last 10 years. Even though man made CO2 has risen to an all time high. That should be enough for anyone with a brain.

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pragma on January 11, 2009 - 7:58pm

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/

Houston, we have a troll.

(I honestly don't know why I bother.)

Sigh,

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conservationist on January 11, 2009 - 8:28pm

Better tell NOAA to revise their data then:

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2009/20090108_decemberstats.html

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Peter on January 12, 2009 - 7:03pm

Hello Conservationist,

The UK link is for the **full* northern hemisphere. Your NOAA link is just for the lower 48 states. It is very possible due to major circulations such as El Nino for one section of the northern hemisphere to be warmer than the rest of the hemisphere.

The Jet Stream can ride along the northern US border blocking cold air intrusion into the US while making Canada colder than normal. That fact does not show up in the NOAA statistics.

You have to compare apples to apples. Global Climate change is about the whole world.

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conservationist on January 12, 2009 - 8:13pm

Yes you correct, that link was just for the US. Another interesting fact is that 1934 was the warmest year on record for the US, not 2005. So here we are in 2008 with cooler temperatures than 1934 - even with all the CO2 that has been generated since then.

Globally, at least 4 sets of data show a cooling trend over the last 10 years. Links to the data are on this site:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/02/19/january-2008-4-sources-say-globall...

I for one, do not see how CO2 could be responsible for the Earth's warming. Considering so much CO2 has been added over the last 10 years, yet temperatures have been trending downward.

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dohboi on January 13, 2009 - 1:09am

So you refuse to address any, even one teenee weenee one, of my points. That means you concede them and accept that there is AGW and it is very serious. Well, I'm glad we're in agreement on that.

If you think that short term data on one part of the globe prove anything definitive about global data, you are beyond hope and help.

And of course you are cherry picking the one outlier year, 1998, to try to make some other inane point.

I'm done feeding this troll.

Grow a brain. Grow a conscience. Introduce them to each other. Then get back to me.

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conservationist on January 13, 2009 - 1:39am

Sure you want everyone to be in agreement with your AGW nonsense. That's the propagandist's dream. Get everyone to "believe". Better wake up and smell the coffee. Kyoto is proving to be a disaster, you've lost the left wing media, AND TEMPERATURES KEEP GETTING COLDER!

Must be hard to attract new "believers" these days.

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pragma on January 13, 2009 - 2:26am

{chuckle}

No offense dohboi, but you were warned.

A valiant effort nonetheless.

Cheers,

Bob

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dohboi on January 15, 2009 - 3:00pm

Indeed I was. No more troll feeding from me.

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steve from Virginia on January 12, 2009 - 12:07am

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha,

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Conservationist, I'm not laughing with you, I'm laughing AT you.

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Andronik on January 12, 2009 - 3:32am

... Watch docu The Great Global Warming Swindle.... it's on the web

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conservationist on January 11, 2009 - 8:48pm

http://icecap.us/images/uploads/TEMPSvsCO2.jpg

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Peter on January 12, 2009 - 7:38pm

Hello Again,

I took a look at the site you referenced. If I understand their argument, what they are saying is that we have to adjust downward the current station temps because urban sprawl is raising the average temps. But isn't that part of global warming? WE create more and larger heat islands and therefore we affect the global temperature. Is that not so?

Next comes the effect of anthroprogenic, terragenic, and celestial sources on the temps. Is it large? small per source? Does the variability of the sun and its cycles play a part? Does volcanic activity play a part? Does the circulation of the earth in its orbit play a part? What are the sources? What are the sinks? how do they interact? What are the other greenhouse gases and where are they stored (methane, water vapor, etc.)?

My ultimate temperature guage is the arctic ice cap. Is it shrinking or is it expanding or is it staying about the same? That is the critical question.

We all should be asking more questions and **working** to try to find better answers than throwing garbage comments at one another.

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dohboi on January 15, 2009 - 3:03pm

The "urban heat island effect" was adjusted for long, long ago, but denialists just keep on reviving old issues long since resolved, hoping that someone in the audience won't know that it is just a canard.

The folks at realclimate have nicely summarized most of these pseudo-arguments and addressed each one.

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FMagyar on January 12, 2009 - 12:53am

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pragma on January 12, 2009 - 1:40am

LOL!

Good one magyar.

Hey, Super G, can we get a button to single click post this as required? ;-)

Cheers

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